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14:42:15 <acoburn> zakim, start meeting
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14:42:17 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), acoburn
14:42:23 <acoburn> meeting: Linked Web Storage
14:44:38 <acoburn> acoburn has changed the topic to: Linked Web Storage - 19 January, 2026 - https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20260119T100000/
14:48:05 <ericP> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20260119T100000/#agenda
14:48:05 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:48:05 <agendabot> agenda+ Introductions & Announcements
14:48:05 <agendabot> agenda+ CRUD & Metadata PR -> #37 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/37
14:48:05 <agendabot> agenda+ Storage Description Resource PR -> #53 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/53
14:48:06 <agendabot> agenda+ "End User Credential" terminology
14:48:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Other -> open PRs https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pulls
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15:04:02 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:04:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introductions & Announcements -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:04:44 <AZ> scribe+
15:04:54 <AZ> ericP: new introductions
15:05:23 <AZ> Luke: I am from IBM
15:05:33 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:05:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- CRUD & Metadata PR -> #37 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/37 -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:05:42 <AZ> s/I am from IBM/I am new and I am from IBM
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15:06:01 <AZ> ericP: we have a PR that has been here for a while
15:06:45 <AZ> eBremer: this has been there for a while but people asked for more time on it
15:06:59 <AZ> ... we could swap some sections and other edits
15:07:02 <pchampin> q+
15:07:14 <AZ> ... and then other things could be done with other PRs
15:07:30 <ericP> ack next
15:09:09 <AZ> pchampin: I think reversing sec. 7 & 8 would be an improvement
15:09:30 <AZ> ... I have a few remarks but don't want to stand in the way so let us go ahead
15:09:47 <AZ> ... it would have been better to split this PR into pieces
15:10:10 <AZ> ... so we could discuss things separately and it would have been easier
15:10:20 <AZ> ... in the future, let us work on smaller PRs
15:10:30 <ericP> PROPOSED: merge PR#37 after eBremer has swapped sections 7 and 8
15:10:31 <gb> Issue 37 not found
15:11:26 <ericP> PROPOSED: merge PR#37 after eBremer has swapped sections 7 and 8
15:11:26 <gb> Issue 37 not found
15:11:51 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/37
15:11:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/37 -> Pull Request 37 Initial CRUD with proposed metadata handling (by ebremer)
15:12:04 <AZ> +0 (I don't know enough about the PR)
15:12:06 <eBremer> +1
15:12:06 <acoburn> +1
15:12:07 <Luke> +1
15:12:09 <gibsonf1> +1
15:12:10 <ericP> +1
15:12:21 <pchampin> +0.5
15:12:56 <ryey> +1
15:13:10 <ericP> APPROVED: merge PR#37 after eBremer has swapped sections 7 and 8
15:13:43 <AZ> eBremer: I'll do the changes tomorrow and merge
15:13:51 <ericP> zakim, next agendum
15:13:51 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Storage Description Resource PR -> #53 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/53 -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:15:01 <AZ> acoburn: it is about describing capabilities of storages, and endpoints that extend capabilities
15:15:23 <AZ> ... discovery mechanisms fit into this PR
15:15:50 <AZ> ... we can go ahead and vote on accepting the PR
15:15:55 <gibsonf1> q+ to ask about uri
15:16:14 <ericP> ack next
15:16:15 <Zakim> gibsonf, you wanted to ask about uri
15:17:10 <AZ> gibsonf1: there is the issue of semantic URI for the storage itself different from the root container of the storage
15:17:33 <pchampin> q+
15:17:41 <AZ> acoburn: I think it is an important issue but it is orthogonal
15:17:48 <ericP> ack next
15:17:51 <AZ> pchampin: agree it is orthogonal
15:18:44 <AZ> ... with caveat that the example uses certain URIs and we need to make them better to avoid confusion
15:19:15 <AZ> acoburn: I can record an issue for this
15:19:19 <ericP> ACTION: acoburn to add root-vs-subject issue to text merged from #53
15:19:26 <gb> Created -> action #54 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/issues/54
15:19:34 <ericP> PROPOSED: merge PR#53 - Storage Description Resource
15:19:35 <gb> Issue 53 not found
15:19:39 <pchampin> +1
15:19:40 <eBremer> +1
15:19:41 <AZ> s/for this/for the identification issue of storage vs root container
15:19:43 <gibsonf1> +1
15:19:46 <acoburn> +1
15:19:46 <ericP> +1
15:20:03 <AZ> +0.5
15:20:07 <Luke> +1
15:20:20 <ericP> APPROVED: merge PR#53 - Storage Description Resource
15:20:33 <ryey> +0.5
15:20:45 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:20:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- "End User Credential" terminology -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:21:00 <AZ> acoburn: will work on it this week
15:21:48 <AZ> [acoburn shows the draft for LWS Protocol on his screen]
15:22:05 <gibsonf1> Agent?
15:22:11 <AZ> acoburn: I would liek to propose changing the terminology on user credential
15:22:19 <AZ> s/liek/like
15:22:40 <AZ> acoburn: I'd like to call it "Identification credential"
15:23:19 <AZ> ... I thought about alternatives: "Agent credential" but may evoke AI Agents
15:23:19 <eBremer> +1 "Identification credential"
15:24:04 <gibsonf1> +1 on "Authentication Credential"
15:24:21 <eBremer> s/"Identification credential"/"Authentication Credential"
15:24:23 <AZ> s/"Identification credential"/"Authentication credential"
15:24:51 <pchampin> +1
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15:24:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/19-lws-minutes.html pchampin
15:25:14 <AZ> acoburn: if there is further discussion, we can have it in the PR request
15:25:14 <ericP> zakim, take up next agendum
15:25:14 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Other -> open PRs https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pulls -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:27:33 <AZ> acoburn: the 2 issues that begin with "consolidate" related auth and ident have been open for a while
15:27:46 <AZ> ... they are more editorial than the previous 2 we takled about
15:28:12 <AZ> ... the last one is about terminology
15:28:28 <AZ> ... to clarify what we mean when we say URI
15:29:15 <elf-pavlik> q+ to ask about EUC naming
15:29:20 <AZ> ... if you have objections, please comment otherwise it will be merged by the editors
15:29:32 <ericP> ack next
15:29:33 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to ask about EUC naming
15:29:37 <elf-pavlik> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-oauth-identity-assertion-authz-grant-01.html#name-identity-assertion-jwt-auth
15:30:49 <AZ> elf-pavlik: in the doc I provide above, there is something about identity and authorization, do we have the same?
15:31:23 <AZ> acoburn: the intention is that something like this would be supported
15:32:33 <AZ> acoburn: we could say this is identity assertion (where we say "end-suer credential" in hte draft)
15:33:09 <AZ> elf-pavlik: [something related to the webid group]
15:35:10 <elf-pavlik> q+ to comment on * token
15:35:31 <pchampin> scribe+
15:35:39 <AZ> dmitriz: the question is...
15:35:47 <pchampin> dmitriz: the term "identify assertion" would prevent us from using zcap
15:35:53 <pchampin> s/dmitriz: the question is...//
15:35:57 <pchampin> scribe-
15:36:32 <AZ> acoburn: going back to the credential discussion of previous PRs
15:36:44 <AZ> ... we have different options
15:37:02 <AZ> ... we could go for identity assertion
15:37:28 <AZ> ... but could include other things
15:37:40 <gibsonf1> +1 on including more detail in discussion of "Authentication Credential"
15:38:30 <AZ> elf-pavlik: we use "token" and we should be cautious
15:39:19 <AZ> ... if it's focused on authentication, then authentication credition is good
15:39:24 <elf-pavlik> q?
15:39:28 <elf-pavlik> q-
15:39:40 <eBremer> +1 to more detail
15:39:56 <AZ> acoburn: I will use authentical credential and I will add more details
15:40:26 <gibsonf1> q+ to ask about Membership with WAC
15:40:49 <AZ> ericP: back to the pending PRs
15:41:38 <AZ> elf-pavlik: related to PR31, we have a planning roadmap for SEG(?)
15:41:56 <AZ> ... this is related to access control policiies
15:42:14 <AZ> ... there are different approaches taken one related to delegation
15:42:26 <AZ> ... there is a use case related to autonoumous groups
15:42:30 <ericP> ack next
15:42:31 <Zakim> gibsonf, you wanted to ask about Membership with WAC
15:43:03 <elf-pavlik> q+ to ask about twinpod
15:43:08 <AZ> gibsonf1: the issue that CSS(?) has is not being able to tell access
15:44:07 <AZ> ... on twinpot(?) we do ??? [something related to access control on triples]
15:44:44 <AZ> dmitriz: a confusion is coming up often and we need to fix ot
15:44:47 <AZ> s/ot/it
15:45:48 <AZ> gibsonf1: single triple has its own URI, metadata, etc
15:46:10 <AZ> ... if you make a group private, what happens?
15:46:42 <elf-pavlik> this conversation is following up discussion about this PR https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/31
15:46:43 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/31 -> Pull Request 31 prior-art: group based access policies (by elf-pavlik)
15:47:32 <AZ> dmitriz: if you make a URI private (ie you don't give right to access the URI)
15:47:49 <ericP> q+ to say there may be a confusion between same-server vs group-on-any-server
15:47:50 <elf-pavlik> can't perform LWS Read operation, would that be clear?
15:48:05 <elf-pavlik> q- yielding to ericP
15:48:21 <AZ> gibsonf1: server delivers data in funciton of access right, but it must access the data to know about access rights
15:48:46 <ericP> q- dmitriz clarified it
15:48:50 <AZ> dmitriz: there are two separate servers, for data and authorization
15:50:37 <AZ> [acoburn drawing a diagram on screen shared to explain the issue]
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15:51:27 <AZ> gibsonf1: how can you separate these things? how would this work?
15:52:20 <AZ> acoburn: the issue is, there are two server models, a 1-server model and a 2-server model
15:52:27 <elf-pavlik> q+ to mention MANDAT requirements
15:52:44 <ericP> ack next
15:52:45 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to ask about twinpod and to mention MANDAT requirements
15:52:50 <AZ> ... a 2-server model can be specificied but it must implementable
15:52:51 <gibsonf1> q+
15:53:08 <ericP> q-
15:53:50 <AZ> elf-pavlik: there are cases in prior work where there are different needs on disclosing info
15:54:12 <ericP> ack next
15:54:24 <AZ> ... in the CG group (fedid?) we plan to do a workshop to discuss cases
15:54:32 <elf-pavlik> Solid CG
15:54:48 <AZ> gibsonf1: how would you do search in that scenario?
15:55:25 <AZ> ... ie if there is a different server for auth
15:55:41 <AZ> ... it would be very slow
15:55:50 <elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-cg/solid/issues/60
15:55:51 <gb> https://github.com/w3c-cg/solid/issues/60 -> Issue 60 [Proposed Work Item]: Organization, Group, Team, Role support in Solid (by elf-pavlik)
15:56:24 <AZ> ... who has a 2-server model?
15:56:44 <AZ> acoburn: in ACP we chose to have an ACP matcher act as a group
15:57:01 <elf-pavlik> q+ re SAI teams/roles
15:57:24 <AZ> ... but it enforces all the ACP and auth rules to be in one place
15:57:30 <ericP> ack next\
15:57:39 <ericP> q?
15:57:44 <ericP> ack next
15:57:45 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss SAI teams/roles
15:58:19 <AZ> elf-pavlik: depending if you have something where you can use delegation
15:58:47 <ericP> ADJOURNED
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15:59:22 <elf-pavlik> use case https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs/issues/104
15:59:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs/issues/104 -> Issue 104 [UC] Access delegation by autonomous groups/organizations (by elf-pavlik) [triage] [usecase]
16:00:36 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
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16:01:11 <pchampin> present+ dmitriz, elf-pavlik, ericP
16:01:12 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
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16:02:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/37 -> Pull Request 37 Initial CRUD with proposed metadata handling (by ebremer)
16:03:48 <acoburn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/19-lws-minutes.html acoburn
16:04:02 <gb> Issue 37 not found
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