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15:02:49 <shiestyle> zakim, start the meeting
15:02:49 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:02:51 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), shiestyle
15:02:59 <shiestyle> Meeting: Digital Comics TF
15:03:05 <shiestyle> Chair: Shinya Takami, Hadrien Gardeur
15:04:14 <MasakazuKitahara> present+
15:04:33 <shiestyle> present+
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15:07:16 <shiestyle> Topic: remaining non-normative work
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15:08:43 <Hadrien> topic: Remaining non-normative work
15:09:28 <duga> Hadrien: There have been some items we covered that were normative and are in the spec (e.g. role, etc)
15:09:47 <Hadrien> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2759
15:09:54 <duga> ... we still have a non-normative item
15:10:20 <duga> ... This doesn't really need the WG, we can do it
15:10:40 <duga> ... Then there were some non-normative issues, like images in spine
15:10:51 <duga> ... at tpac we said we might want some examples of that
15:11:13 <duga> ... If we don't have any normative items left, what do we do?
15:11:31 <duga> ... maybe put the TF on hold, and just do the non-normative work in the CG
15:11:41 <duga> ... which might give us more people
15:12:19 <duga> ... By moving this to the CG we might have more input, to get a better output
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15:12:31 <duga> ... This is very tempting
15:12:44 <duga> ... we would only need to meet maybe once a month
15:12:48 <DaleRogers> present +
15:13:08 <duga> ... There are some admin issues like timing of the meeting
15:13:14 <shiestyle> present+ DaleRogers
15:13:27 <duga> ... so moving this to the CG sounds like a good idea
15:13:53 <duga> shiestyle: We are planning to stop this TF for now and move to CG. Are there any comments or opinions?
15:14:04 <duga> Hadrien: Gautier, thoughts?
15:14:30 <duga> shiestyle: I spoke with Ivan, they can add a new calendar entry
15:14:33 <DaleRogers> q+
15:14:43 <gautierchomel> q+
15:14:47 <shiestyle> ack DaleRogers
15:15:14 <duga> DaleRogers: I understand the idea of the move, my question is if ideas come out of the CG, do those go directly to the WG?
15:15:38 <duga> Hadrien: For normative items, it could come to this TF, since we would just be paused
15:15:49 <duga> ... but we haven't found anything that would apply
15:16:06 <CharlesL> q+
15:16:14 <duga> DaleRogers: I will look into joining that, as I would like to keep participating
15:17:02 <Hadrien> ack gautierchomel
15:17:06 <duga> shiestyle: We have two options, move to CG, or we can move to the main call. It depends on the status of the proposal
15:17:10 <shiestyle> ack gautier
15:17:17 <duga> gautierchomel: We are happy to house this at the CG
15:17:28 <duga> ... this would be a TF of the CG
15:17:42 <duga> Hadrien: That is what we wanted
15:17:55 <duga> gautierchomel: That is easy to do if we want to go this way
15:18:21 <Hadrien> ack CharlesL
15:18:23 <shiestyle> ack CharlesL
15:18:25 <duga> ... I just have some minor things to do on the CG side
15:18:46 <duga> CharlesL: I have no problem with the move
15:19:22 <duga> ... What about SMIL and comics? Should we move that incubation to the CG?
15:20:05 <duga> Hadrien: Anything related to incubation is great for the CG
15:20:51 <duga> shiestyle: 3.4 is basically closed, so if we do have normative changes, they may want to move to a later version
15:21:23 <duga> CharlesL: We have already approached adding more if SMIL to epub
15:21:48 <DaleRogers> q+
15:21:48 <duga> ... so if it does get added we could look at writing best practices on how to write such comics at the cg
15:22:20 <duga> Hadrien: Accessibility group is the most mature, since they have both normative and non-normative
15:22:26 <duga> ... we should follow that
15:22:49 <duga> shiestyle: 3.4 is almost closed for normative changes, but we can add a WG note later
15:22:58 <shiestyle> ack Dale
15:23:29 <duga> DaleRogers: In the community, a big issue is implementation
15:23:48 <duga> ... Hadrien, you mentioned that there are already RSes experimenting with similar features
15:24:00 <duga> ... will it be easy for them to switch to a SMIL version?
15:24:19 <duga> Hadrien: For specialized libraries, they worked mainly with DAISY files
15:24:37 <duga> ... But gradually they are moving to epub
15:24:54 <duga> ... epub with MO is becoming their core format
15:25:20 <duga> ... so there expectation for comics with pre-recorded audio is outside this since there was no format
15:25:49 <duga> ... but since they are already betting on epub, there is a likelihood that if they can do this, they will
15:25:57 <shiestyle> q?
15:26:27 <duga> Hadrien: ANother benefit to the CG is we won't be bound by time
15:26:44 <duga> ... so we can continue to discuss comics issues even after the WG charter expires
15:27:23 <duga> ... we have a gap that can be filled with best practices documents
15:27:51 <duga> ... e.g. Japanese publishers have a best practices for Manga, it would be good to have a global best practices
15:27:59 <duga> ... we can do that in the CG
15:28:12 <duga> shiestyle: That can be a CG or WG notes
15:28:22 <duga> ... no objections?
15:29:06 <duga> Hadrien: so we will cancel the meeting in the calendar, but we should send an email to the group to explain we aren't closing down
15:29:11 <duga> ... we are just pausing
15:29:35 <duga> shiestyle: Let's talk schedule for the CG TF
15:29:40 <duga> ... when should we meet next
15:29:48 <Hadrien> Topic: Schedule for new TF in CG
15:30:02 <duga> ... when is better for you?
15:30:10 <duga> ... after WG call is currently midnight
15:30:39 <duga> Hadrien: Question for Americans - can we do it an hour before the call?
15:31:05 <duga> ... I don't know where the American publishers are, NY?
15:31:18 <duga> q+
15:31:27 <duga> CharlesL: That's early
15:31:36 <duga> DaleRogers: Yes, that is early for regular meetings
15:31:48 <duga> Hadrien: We would probably only do once per month
15:32:04 <duga> shiestyle: Or wednesday as the same time slot as the WG call
15:32:28 <duga> CharlesL: That could work
15:32:35 <duga> DaleRogers: I agree
15:33:10 <duga> duga: Should we wait until this moves?
15:33:35 <duga> Hadrien: Yeah, we should probably skip Feb, then we can see who else can join
15:34:04 <shiestyle> Topic: schedule and move to the CG
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15:35:54 <shiestyle> zakim, end the meeting
15:35:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been MasakazuKitahara, shiestyle, toshiakikoike, duga, Hadrien, CharlesL, DaleRogers
15:35:56 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:35:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/15-pm-dc-minutes.html Zakim
15:36:04 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, shiestyle; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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