17:42:26 RRSAgent has joined #aria-editors 17:42:30 logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/01/14-aria-editors-irc 17:42:38 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6158f112-9665-46ec-bfa3-928483afbcf4/20260114T100000/ 17:42:39 clear agenda 17:42:39 agenda+ "Using ARIA" status -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 17:42:39 agenda+ "look into SVG2's multiple desc/title (with differing lang)" -> https://github.com/w3c/svg-aam/issues/40 https://github.com/w3c/svg-aam/issues/40 17:42:40 agenda+ "Editorial: Improve Netlify preview" -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2703 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2703 17:59:40 pkra has joined #aria-editors 18:03:24 present+ 18:03:27 scribe+ 18:03:29 agenda? 18:03:43 zakim, start meeting 18:03:43 RRSAgent, make logs Public 18:03:45 Meeting: ARIA Editors 18:04:01 zakim, agenda? 18:04:01 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 18:04:03 1. "Using ARIA" status -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 [from agendabot] 18:04:03 2. "look into SVG2's multiple desc/title (with differing lang)" -> https://github.com/w3c/svg-aam/issues/40 https://github.com/w3c/svg-aam/issues/40 [from agendabot] 18:04:06 3. "Editorial: Improve Netlify preview" -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2703 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2703 [from agendabot] 18:05:23 scribe+ 18:06:11 markrogers has joined #aria-editors 18:06:22 present+ 18:06:28 agenda+ In-person issue cleanup 18:06:29 spectranaut_ has joined #aria-editors 18:06:46 agenda? 18:06:49 zakim, next item 18:06:50 agendum 1 -- "Using ARIA" status -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:07:03 zakim, take up item 2 18:07:03 agendum 2 -- "look into SVG2's multiple desc/title (with differing lang)" -> https://github.com/w3c/svg-aam/issues/40 https://github.com/w3c/svg-aam/issues/40 -- taken up [from 18:07:06 ... agendabot] 18:09:27 pkra: I found an issue on the SVG tracker and it felt like we should maybe say something about it. 18:10:17 mark: saw something similar for CSS, whether or not delivered by XHTML or HTML. 18:10:53 ... as far as I can say there's no spec saying how AT computes language. 18:11:14 ... at best, found some browser code like "doing this to be compatible with IE11" 18:11:45 cyns: I wonder how this would work in bilingual situations. 18:14:05 jamesn: does this have an actual impact? Or do we leave it as rendered. 18:14:55 pkra: agreed. I think right now svg-aam should match reality. For the editors context, it may be interesting to have prior work if we ever want to do something like this. 18:15:05 mark: I'll file an issue with html-aam on the other issue. 18:15:15 jamesn: if german is voiced french, is that an AT bug? 18:15:29 mark: not really, it's consistent behavior depending on the situation. 18:15:31 q+ 18:15:49 ... but in html it's not a huge problem. It only happens in xhtml mime type. 18:16:03 ... but in svg it's more complicated since it's XML in HTML 18:16:20 ... so with the two attributes, the html and svg would calculate things differently. 18:16:44 cyns: can you add a comment on the issue, too? 18:17:46 daniel: there's so much to say about AT voicing things. I think most times users override things so that it doesn't change automatically. 18:18:01 cyns: what's the experience with bilingual pages? 18:18:25 daniel: I change manually. IT's just a few keystrokes on desktop. 18:19:10 https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/258 18:19:31 zakim, next item 18:19:31 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, pkra 18:19:44 ack Daniel 18:19:46 zakim, next item 18:19:46 agendum 1 -- "Using ARIA" status -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:19:53 zakim, take up item 3 18:19:53 agendum 3 -- "Editorial: Improve Netlify preview" -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2703 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2703 -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:22:41 pkra has joined #aria-editors 18:22:44 present+ 18:22:46 scribe+ 18:23:04 Daniel: this edits the top card with links to the changed specs within the preview 18:23:24 ... the only problem is that this can't be tested well from a fork. 18:23:35 ... maybe we can merge this and go from there. 18:23:39 spectranaut_: looks great! 18:23:53 ... can we remove the old preview bot? 18:24:07 Daniel: I wanted to wait to see that it works as desired. 18:24:10 ... then I would remove it. 18:26:25 pkra: great. Let's review? 18:26:32 spectranaut_: modulo reverting the test changes to AAMs 18:26:35 Daniel: yes. 18:26:36 zakim, take up item 4 18:26:36 agendum 4 -- In-person issue cleanup -- taken up [from Daniel] 18:27:14 s/issue cleanup/issue cleanup session/g 18:27:41 spectranaut_: we were talking about having a Bay area meetup to clean up issue. So myself, James, Rahim, maybe Bryan, James C? 18:27:49 Rahim_: yes, that sounds great. 18:28:39 spectranaut_: let's figure out a meeting place. 18:30:53 Rahim_: I'll organize date/time. 18:32:24 zakim, take up item 1 18:32:24 agendum 1 -- "Using ARIA" status -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2708 -- taken up [from agendabot] 18:35:18 pkra: I filed this because I remembered the older issue and it didn't seem like the Using ARIA document had been addressed. 18:35:46 ... now there's been a few comments on the issue though. 18:36:21 Daniel: right. Matt left a comment on how APG had meant to integrate it. But Steven and Sara might be taking it over. 18:37:49 pkra: I was wondering if ARIA WG want to take it up. It seems like a prominent document - rules of aria etc. I think it would be worthwhile to keep it. 18:38:41 emma: I think the new website for APG is the good place going forward. We update it monthly. 18:38:58 s/emma/jemma/ 18:39:06 thanks, spectranaut_ 18:39:41 matt: it seems people have come up with different ideas. We discussed it back in 2021 but never had enough people to get it in there. 18:40:02 cyns: should the document continue to exist? Or redirect to APG? 18:40:19 matt: I would move it to APG and redirect there. 18:40:36 Daniel: there are some differences in phrasing. Some are subtle. 18:41:38 matt: I think the nature of the prose might be a significant difference. APG avoids normative sounding language 18:42:36 jemma: I'd second Matt's idea. It would be good to have a single place. 18:43:12 matt: right. It's not just copy-into-place. There are multiple topics in there, some are covered or closely related to APG. 18:43:22 ... and there are places in APG referencing Using ARIA, too. 18:44:02 Daniel: if we chose to retire this, what would be a good approach? 18:45:09 pkra: I don't have strong feelings. Mostly, that it doesn't say 2021 anymore. 18:45:57 scotto: I would suggest to get Steve involved to see what plans he has. A while back I spoke to him about it, also in part html-aria (which used to be one document). 18:46:50 jamesn has joined #aria-editors 18:46:52 matt: agreed. We got a request way back when if ARIA could take the document and we said we would integrate into APG. 18:47:10 ... we used to have a topic by topic redirect for a long time. 18:47:16 ... maybe 35 URLs. 18:47:29 ... so people could find things in the new APG> 18:47:42 s/>/. 18:48:24 jemma: what are the next steps? 18:48:35 Daniel: I'll follow up directly. 18:50:23 jamesn: I don't have a strong opinion. Parts are outdated and some things I find difficult. It's ultimately not normative but developer advice. 18:50:43 jemma: do you think APG would be a good place? 18:51:25 jamesn: if the owners think so, yes. 18:52:32 matt: a comment on the older issue, they said they wanted to update the document. 18:54:43 scotto: I agree with jamesn. The document is important. The rules are widely used and often misunderstood. 18:55:08 matt: we use a rephrasing of Rule 1 on every APG page. 18:58:53 zakim, end meeting 18:58:53 As of this point the attendees have been pkra, markrogers 18:58:54 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 18:58:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/14-aria-editors-minutes.html Zakim 18:59:02 I am happy to have been of service, pkra; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 18:59:04 Zakim has left #aria-editors