14:51:01 RRSAgent has joined #webai 14:51:05 logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/01/12-webai-irc 14:51:05 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:51:06 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Roy_Ruoxi 14:51:26 meeting: Web & AI IG meeting 14:51:44 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:51:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/12-webai-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi 14:52:57 agenda+ Round-table 14:53:11 agenda+ Introduction to the IG by Roy 14:53:25 agenda+ Discussion and straw poll about the time slot and frequency of the IG meeting. 14:53:43 agenda+ Open discussion and brainstorm 14:53:52 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:53:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/12-webai-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi 14:58:30 gendler has joined #webai 14:59:22 fabien_gandon has joined #webai 14:59:35 chair: fabien_gandon 14:59:46 RRSAgent, make minutes 14:59:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/12-webai-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi 15:00:52 AlexDawson has joined #webai 15:01:04 Present+ 15:01:09 cpn has joined #webai 15:01:16 Present+ 15:01:17 Present+ 15:01:18 present+ Chris_Needham 15:01:19 semantic has joined #webai 15:01:22 aciortea has joined #webai 15:01:23 present+ 15:01:27 tink has joined #webai 15:01:44 present+ Léonie Watson 15:01:52 Tentative Agenda 15:01:52 (1) Round-table: self-introduction of 30 seconds max for each participant. 15:01:52 (2) Introduction to the IG by Roy (a 10 minutes). 15:01:52 (3) Discussion and straw poll about the time slot and frequency of the IG meeting. 15:01:54 (4) Open discussion and brainstorm session to identify topics and documents that should be on the radar of the radar IG. 15:02:22 santanavagner has joined #webai 15:02:28 Present+ 15:03:04 scribe+ 15:03:20 agenda? 15:03:29 Ehsan has joined #webai 15:03:42 Rem has joined #webai 15:03:49 gendler: welcome to the first Web & AI IG meeting, very excited to have you all here 15:03:50 stevef has joined #webai 15:03:53 Henny has joined #webai 15:04:05 ... we'll start with a roundtable to introduce each other through 30s intros 15:04:10 chair+ Max_Gendler 15:04:24 ... My name is Max Gendler, I'm the AC Rep for News Corp and one of the co-chairs of the IG 15:04:28 Craig has joined #webai 15:04:35 ... I've been involved in various internet standards org 15:04:47 ... AI is a topic of major interest for us as publishers 15:04:58 Fabien: I've been Inria's AC Rep since 2012, involved in W3C since 2004 15:05:22 ... coming from a mainly academic backgroudn - senior researcher at Inria with a focus on knowledge graph and hybrid AI 15:05:37 ... also interested in societal impact of AI, including attention capture 15:05:54 ... also involved in Probabl, a company involved in providing open source tools for data science 15:06:45 Liang: I've been working in browser space in ByteDance for 5 years, before at Baidu 15:06:56 ... involved in grpahics and performance optimization in Chromium browsers 15:07:03 rtroncy has joined #webai 15:07:07 ... more recently focused on agent driven and browser automation 15:07:17 ... how agents can efficiently operate on the Web 15:07:28 ... interested in finding ways to better support agents on the Web 15:07:53 SteveF: co-founder/director at Tetralogical along with Léonie and Henny 15:08:03 ... involved in Web standards since 2007 15:08:14 ... incl HTML5 spec, and accessibilited-related browser specs 15:08:28 ... particularly interested in accessibility testing and how/whether AI can be used for that 15:08:44 ... looking for use cases around accessibility testing 15:09:02 Roy: work for W3C based in China; staff contact for the IG 15:09:20 ... I'm pursuing my PhD degree on Web & AI, and accessibility for computer science 15:09:49 Andrei: assistant professor in Switzerland and also involved in Wimmics at Inria in France 15:09:55 ... research focused on Web agents 15:10:01 ... co-chairing the Web Agents CG 15:10:13 ... also following Web of Things work in W3C, and involved in IETF as well 15:10:50 Léonie: work for Tetralogical; interest from 3 different angles: as a blind user, very interested in how AI has changed and is changing the way I use the Web 15:11:13 ... interested in what standards might be needed for AI on the Web: e.g. conversational interfaces for the Web 15:11:48 ... finally, impact of AI on us Tetralogical as a company running accessibility audits - moving away from a well-defined set of pages with well-defined content 15:12:18 AlexanderD: sustainability advocate, editor of the Web Sustainibility guidelines in the related IG 15:12:25 ... also involved in Green Software foundation 15:12:39 ... in HTTP Archive 15:13:12 ... interest primarily around holistic impact of AI on environment, people (societal & governance) 15:13:25 DanielD: joining from WU Vienna (Austria) 15:13:47 ... interested in rediscovering the original vision of the Semantic Web with integration of AI Agents 15:14:15 Vagner: working as a senior researcher at NIC.br; in Machine Leaning and responsible AI 15:14:37 cpn: work at BBC, also co-chair of the MEdia & Entertainment IG at W3C, W3C Media WG 15:15:02 ... BBC is in an interesting position, with its content beind used and intermediated by AI systems which concerns us in terms of access to reliable and accurate journalism 15:15:11 ... but we're also making use of AI in our internal workflows 15:15:29 ... standardization-wise, I'm active in related work in IETF: AIPrefs and WebBotAuthn 15:15:46 ... both looking at the relationship between web sites and those that crawl these web sites for AI 15:15:59 Henny: also at Tetralogical 15:16:20 ... have contributed to W3C years ago in WAI EO & UAAG, really interested in relationship between AI & accessibility 15:16:27 ... how it can enable and disable people 15:16:35 ... and impact on our day to day work on accessibility assessments 15:16:48 ... how our customers might be using AI to build their web sites 15:17:10 Rem: associate profession at University College in Dublin, involved in multi agent systems since the 90's 15:17:24 ... trying to combine traditional multi agent systems with agents/LLms 15:17:31 ... also co-chairs Web Agents CG with Andrei 15:18:01 Paola: co-chair of the AI KR CG 15:18:31 ... [inaudible] 15:18:54 Ehsan1 has joined #webai 15:21:32 Craig: work at Tetralogical as a Principal accessibility specialist; previously involved in UK gov, tech companies (ElasticSearch as they introduced AI) 15:21:59 ... interested in pulling apart the promises of AI and how much they are met through lots of hands-on experimentation 15:22:19 ... I use it a lot, but also have a lot of concerns on the hype around it and see how standards can help 15:22:47 Ahmet: I'm with FIME, which provides consultanty services in payments 15:22:59 ... mostly interested in how agentic solutions communicate with the Web 15:23:07 ... we've been looking at solutions based on MCP servers 15:23:41 ... interested in how this will evolve in the future; how and whether human-intended interactions evolve to accommodate agents 15:24:15 Mihai: researcher at DFKI in Germany, focused on responsible and ethical development of AI systems 15:24:36 ... I contribute with different institutions and standard organizations on ethics related initiatives 15:24:51 ... incl BDVA and European Executive Agency 15:25:11 ... very intriguted by the joint deliverable on Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning - looking forward to finding more about it 15:25:22 scribe+ 15:25:38 Dom: I'm Dom, member of the w3c team. I've been looking over impact of AI on the web ... 15:25:50 started with a workshop and a report on the AI systems impacts on the web in 2024... 15:26:05 ...more recently, impacts of agents on web. Working with Roy and other in the community to get the group launced. 15:26:21 scribe- 15:26:33 Ehsan: from Samsung R&D with a focus on privacy 15:26:39 s/launced/launched 15:26:49 ... also editor of the Translation API and a TAG associate member to review APIs 15:27:04 Mihai has joined #webai 15:27:25 ... I have an academic background - an assistant professor at Durham University on privacy-by design, socio-technical trust, 15:27:33 ... interested in privacy discussions 15:28:04 Shouqun: AC Rep of Bytedance - we're involved in Immersive Web, WebRTC 15:28:27 ... engineer lead of the cross-Platform team based on an open source framework mostly based on Web technologies 15:28:39 ... we're interested in generative UIs 15:29:15 Diogo: I work for NIC.br (also host the W3C Brazilian Chapter) 15:29:29 ... interested in the impact of AI on the Web on governance, also economic and technical impact 15:29:55 Zakim, next item 15:29:55 agendum 1 -- Round-table -- taken up [from Roy_Ruoxi] 15:29:57 Web & AI IG Overview slides -> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1v2bKukB1HUlzehREkGxsHSK_fmvR2wGZ834VqOcPcA4/edit?slide=id.g289430bbe7c_0_173#slide=id.g289430bbe7c_0_173 15:30:02 Zakim, take up agendum 2 15:30:02 agendum 2 -- Introduction to the IG by Roy -- taken up [from Roy_Ruoxi] 15:30:09 Slideset: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1v2bKukB1HUlzehREkGxsHSK_fmvR2wGZ834VqOcPcA4/edit?slide=id.g289430bbe7c_0_173#slide=id.g289430bbe7c_0_173 15:30:56 i/gendler: welcome /Topic: Roundtable 15:30:59 [slide 2] 15:31:23 Roy: the IG was started as a way to support the many AI-related conversations we saw happen in W3C 15:31:44 [slide 3] 15:32:31 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:32:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/12-webai-minutes.html dom 15:33:10 [slide 4] 15:34:46 [slide 5] 15:35:44 [slide 6] 15:37:02 Roy: some groups have tried using AI for their meeting mintues - maybe something we can investigate as well 15:37:06 [slide 7] 15:37:38 Roy: our work will be in public, so also available to non-participants 15:38:33 [slide 8] 15:38:57 Roy: Dom & I have been looking at a workshop on the topic of "AI Agents & Web browsers", still work in progress 15:39:10 ... we're looking for more input, incl a programme committee - we hope this IG can help 15:39:15 [slide 9] 15:40:44 Roy: I've been working on a draft Web & AI roadmap that I hope to share with the IG soon 15:40:48 [slide 10] 15:41:34 [slide 11] 15:41:47 Roy: as staff contact for this IG, please feel free to contact me if you have any question 15:42:05 Zakim, take up agendum 3 15:42:05 agendum 3 -- Discussion and straw poll about the time slot and frequency of the IG meeting. -- taken up [from Roy_Ruoxi] 15:42:47 Gendler: we're thinking of an initial monthly cadence for this meeting 15:43:07 ... would Monday around (or exactly at) this time work for you? as a temperature check, please +1/-1 on IRC 15:43:11 +1 15:43:12 +1 15:43:15 +1 15:43:16 +1 15:43:16 +1 15:43:18 +1 15:43:18 +1 15:43:21 Straw Poll: Meeting on a monthly cadence, on Mondays, at around the time of the first meeting 15:43:23 +1 15:43:31 q+ 15:43:39 -1 15:44:01 q- 15:44:15 Gendler: we will also get feedback from people who aren't here today 15:44:19 +1 15:44:49 Steve: this conflicts with an AGWG subgroup meeting 15:45:18 Zakim, take up agendum 4 15:45:18 agendum 4 -- Open discussion and brainstorm -- taken up [from Roy_Ruoxi] 15:45:50 Fabien: what topics would you look to see discussed in this IG? what deliverables/reports would you like to help create? 15:45:56 semantic has joined #webai 15:46:05 ... this is a brainstorm to collect ideas, not discuss them in depth 15:46:19 ... please q+ to mention the topics you have in mind 15:46:26 q+ 15:46:37 scribe+ 15:46:48 Dom: more on the logistics, not that I don't have topics... 15:47:02 ....several people mentioned topics in the intro, I hope we bring that into the list. 15:47:04 q+ 15:47:08 q- 15:47:09 scribe- 15:47:17 ack Rem 15:47:50 Rem: MCP, and intersection of agents/LLM with the Web feels like an interesting topic; we have had related discussion in the Web & Agents CG 15:48:02 Shouqun has joined #webai 15:48:03 q+ to suggest impact of crawlers 15:48:08 q+ 15:48:08 scribe+ 15:48:16 q+ Topic: Web as a space to host and interact with AI-gents, Human-Agent interactions on the Web, Agent-Agent interactions, Agent-Resource interactions, etc. Requirements, standards, models and methods for hosting AI-agent on the Web 15:48:26 Dom: one of the topics people ask me about, is the infrastructure impact of crawlers on the web... 15:48:50 ...more and more types of agents and LLMs are interacting with the web, and are creating business model challaenges and infrastructure challenges.... 15:49:20 ...it can reduce potential revenue, but also increase costs due to amount of crawling, both a W3C and IETF topic.... 15:49:37 q+ Ahmet 15:49:42 q+ to mention identifying the impact AI at every level of the Web architecture client, server, proxy, application, service, infrastructure and devices, etc. 15:49:43 ....it would be useful to see how it looks on traditional items of skope like APIs. 15:49:45 ack me 15:49:45 dom, you wanted to suggest impact of crawlers 15:49:59 scribe- 15:50:12 ack Roy_Ruoxi 15:50:20 semantic has joined #webai 15:50:24 Roy: how to set up bridges & liaisons with different organizations: IETF, Linux Foundation, since they have AI & AI agents related work there 15:50:33 q+ 15:50:44 q+ 15:50:45 ... we need to find the right persons there, and the relevant topics for the Web 15:51:07 Re Dom's topic, here's the IETF discussion on crawler impacts: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-123-maprg-sessa/ 15:51:19 ack Ahmet 15:51:34 Ahmet: MCP was mentioned - there is a growing interest in agentic e-commercce, with shopping agents / shopping assistants 15:51:55 ... UCP from Google was announced yesterday (Universal Commerce Protocol) to enable merchants to talk with agents 15:52:24 ... interested to understand impact of adoption of these types of protocols 15:52:30 ... in addition to CMp 15:52:37 ack fabien_gandon 15:52:37 fabien_gandon, you wanted to mention identifying the impact AI at every level of the Web architecture client, server, proxy, application, service, infrastructure and devices, etc. 15:53:09 fabien_gandon: among the topics, all the topics on the Web as a space to host interactions with these agents 15:53:19 ... human-to-agents, agent-to-agents, agent-to-resources 15:53:34 ... impact on infrastructure & its cost 15:54:02 ... also strong interest around traceability of AI applications & content, with growing demand incl from people building models 15:54:09 q+ 15:54:40 ... in terms of organizing the discussions, I would be happy if we had enough expertise to cover all aspects of AI on the architecture: client, server, proxy, apps, etc 15:54:57 ack semantic 15:55:21 DanielD: +1 to Fabien; also looking at existing standards in the agentic ecosystem 15:55:52 q+ 15:55:58 Craig: the rise of vibe coding and its impact on accessibility, HTML would also be useful to discuss 15:56:11 ... with AI replacing standards user interface - what impact on WCAG? 15:56:27 (we should close the queue) 15:56:55 Shouqun: Google released A2UI to generate user interfaces 15:57:06 ... keeping track of these protocol evolutions would be useful 15:57:30 ack Craig 15:57:33 ack Shouqun 15:57:35 ack AlexDawson 15:57:48 +1 fabien on traceability, also content provenance technologies 15:58:21 AlexDawson: it would be great to have coverage on what happens when we don't have data, e.g. because of lack of transparency 15:58:31 ... that has an impact on sustainability considerations for instance 15:59:03 +1 to Alexander point also what AI will do to all types of divides (eg low-resource languages) and sustainability problems 15:59:11 ... sustainability is less mature than accessibility in that respect 15:59:56 Max: thank you all, very excited to get this work rolling - please reach out for any additional topic suggestion 15:59:58 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:59:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/12-webai-minutes.html dom 16:01:54 Shouqun5 has joined #webai 16:02:29 halo has joined #webai 16:03:43 rtroncy has joined #webai