IRC log of svg on 2025-12-18
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/12/18-svg-irc
- 06:44:24 [karlcow]
- Meeting: SVG Working Group weekly call
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- Present: Karl, Dirk, Carine, Vinay
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- present+ Yehonatan, Niko
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- 06:50:13 [krit_]
- topic: Should SVG's <script> element support the fetchpriority attribute analogous to HTML's <script> element?
- 06:50:27 [krit_]
- https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/916
- 06:51:05 [krit_]
- karlcow: implemented in Firefox and a not-merged patch in WebKit. Not implemented in Chrome.
- 06:51:20 [krit_]
- karlcow: Is Chrome interested? Not part of the SVG spec right now.
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- Vinay: Async is in Chrome but not fetchpriority.
- 06:52:32 [krit_]
- Vinay: I have to get back since the involved team has issues with the XML parser. But async ships.
- 06:53:10 [karlcow]
- https://wpt.fyi/results/svg/scripted/attr-script-fetchpriority.html?label=experimental&label=master&aligned
- 06:53:53 [krit_]
- action: Vinay to investigate if this is in th einterest of Chrome to have fetchpriority attribute on SVG script element
- 06:54:19 [krit_]
- topic: Editorial] Convert main specification to bikeshed
- 06:54:28 [krit_]
- https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/1036
- 06:54:40 [krit_]
- karlcow: Will make more progress next week.
- 06:54:56 [krit_]
- karlcow: I hope to finalize by EOY
- 06:55:26 [krit_]
- topic: [Editorial] missing word attribute in 6.1 section about styling.
- 06:55:32 [krit_]
- https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/1041
- 06:56:14 [krit_]
- karlcow: Minor: There is a sentence in the spec with a missing work about the style attribute. Should we add it?
- 06:58:19 [krit_]
- krit_: Suggestion is to make the text formative, add a MUST and the word attribute. Only the information about SVG 1.1's behavior stays informative? I agree to your change suggest.
- 06:58:22 [krit_]
- Vinay: me too
- 06:59:05 [krit_]
- RESOLUTION: A the word attribute, make the text formative with a MUST. Follow the change suggestion from Karl on the ticket
- 06:59:18 [krit_]
- topic: [WPT maintenance] fixing xlink:href in tests
- 06:59:23 [krit_]
- https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/1042
- 07:01:11 [krit_]
- karlcow: There are a lot of usages of xlink:href in the spec. Should we replace it everywhere?
- 07:03:16 [krit_]
- krit_: Are you confident that all browsers and editors support the href w/o prefix?
- 07:03:56 [nzimmermann]
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- 07:04:17 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: How would we know which applications support SVG in general. Do we have a list?
- 07:05:15 [krit_]
- krit_: SVG is widely used as interchange format on clipboard for various applications from InkScape to Illjustrator and borwser apps. Each app may have their own implementation with the own parser. I am not confident that they all support hred. Illustrator doesn't for example.
- 07:06:11 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: We can deprecate it, but in the ticket Karl says something about the precedence which one to use href / xlink:href.
- 07:06:21 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: wait, it is in the spec but not being tested
- 07:06:30 [krit_]
- karlcow: it is in the spec and yes, no test
- 07:06:57 [krit_]
- s/no test/Chrome team added a test
- 07:07:01 [krit_]
- s/no test/Chrome team added a test/
- 07:07:40 [krit_]
- karlcow: question here is: Do we remove it?
- 07:08:04 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: there could be a meta test for href and xlink:href
- 07:09:04 [krit_]
- krit_: Do all browsers at least support href? Then we would have 3 implementatinos?
- 07:09:19 [krit_]
- karlcow: yes, green everywhere with a few minor bugs in Safari
- 07:09:26 [krit_]
- s/Safari/WebKit/
- 07:09:41 [krit_]
- caribou: and do we know about editor applications?
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- karlcow: the class of applications woul need to implement href AND use WPT
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- 07:13:55 [krit_]
- karlcow: We could decide to make href a prefix of xlink:href. But this is not the point for WPT.
- 07:14:23 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: WPT is WEB platform. So we should remove the Xlink prefix where possible.
- 07:14:43 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: good to get this off and align HTML and SVG more.
- 07:15:18 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: IMO this only affects browsers. In reality, most other applications would not even use WPT.
- 07:16:34 [krit_]
- Vinay: We will just have breaking tests that no one will fix.
- 07:18:46 [krit_]
- ydaniv: In favor of removing it but did see XML based parser implementagtions of SVG which had the issue.
- 07:19:28 [krit_]
- RESOLUTION: Remove xlink: prefix on href in all WPT tests w/ exception of the meta test to verify behavior on xlink:href to href
- 07:19:44 [krit_]
- topic: [WPT] Testing deprecated xlink:href and precedence of href #1043
- 07:19:48 [krit_]
- https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/1043
- 07:20:24 [krit_]
- karlcow: Chrome team submitted a test to test precedence of href to xlink:href. So issue is fixed.
- 07:20:38 [krit_]
- nzimmermann: did you review it?
- 07:20:42 [krit_]
- karlcow: I will double check
- 07:22:05 [krit_]
- topic: Next meeting
- 07:22:17 [krit_]
- krit_: Next meeting on Jan 8.
- 07:23:41 [krit_]
- charter: https://www.w3.org/2024/04/svg-wg.html
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- RRSAgent, make logs
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs', karlcow. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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