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19:23:23 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
19:24:01 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge (A11yEdge) Community Group Teleconference
19:24:08 <janina> Date 17 Dec 2025
19:24:12 <janina> Chair: Janina
19:34:36 <janina> present+
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19:39:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Chris
19:41:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Getting readers and feedback
19:50:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I asked 3 people for feedback
19:50:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
19:50:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I asked 3 people for feedback
19:50:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We had agreed to wait until after the holiday
19:53:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> MIke: I will reach out to the people I discussed
19:53:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Janina and I will do a session at CSUN on this report
19:54:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
19:54:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/17-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
19:56:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We do have the paragraph that we curated
19:56:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... on the blog https://www.w3.org/community/a11yedge/
19:56:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The W3C Accessibility at the Edge Community Group announces publication of its Final Report addressing the trade-offs and benefits of applying dynamic accessibility remediations to web content.
19:57:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Today’s typical web page is a complex blend of multiple original sources, yielding experiences that work well for some users but fail for others, leaving many websites and online applications inaccessible to people with disabilities.
19:57:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... In development since Fall 2022, the report titled: Accessibility Capabilities: Post-Source Code and Content features cross-references to WCAG throughout, because WCAG remains the valid yardstick whether applied in-source or post-source.
20:02:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Capabilities where Post Source Shines
20:03:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: On my list of action items (after the holiday) go through the capabilities and pick out those where, we argue, post-source is superior
20:05:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the low vision capabilities like 3.1.1 Cursor Size are prime examples where post source shines
20:07:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... each Capability has a unique URI
20:07:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: You can copy it from the contents, e.g., https://www.w3.org/community/reports/a11yedge/CG-FINAL-a11yedge-capabilities-20251104/#cursorsize
20:08:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: This would be a useful list to have, apart from the document itself
20:11:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Cognitive Disability and Neurodiversity
20:12:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I was discussing with COGA post-source and cognitive disability
20:13:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... They said, requiring acceptance criteria makes it hard to incorporate COGA assertions into WCAG
20:13:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and they would prefer assertions
20:13:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Our report is a set of assertions
20:15:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... summation benefits in post-source
20:16:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
20:16:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/17-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
20:18:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Live Remediation Session
20:18:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: I attended a webinar where Amber Hinds and a rep from Woo Commerce did remediation together
20:19:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... They had a vigorous discussion about the many ways remediation could be done
20:20:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I noted that there were many ways to remediate, sometimes disagreement on how to remediate
20:21:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: There is variance in the assessments of WCAG experts
20:22:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: Offering more avenues to remediate, such as via post source, seems a good idea
20:22:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: But the person remediating needs to have a sufficient level of expertise
20:23:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... just like in navigation, there are usually a variety of routes
20:23:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... but which route is optimal requires a depth of decision-making
20:24:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... but all routes reach the same destination
20:25:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
20:25:01 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Chris
20:25:03 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:25:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/17-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
20:25:10 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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