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18:50:35 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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19:02:59 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make minutes
19:03:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/16-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
19:04:23 <Adam_Page> scribe: Adam_Page
19:04:30 <Adam_Page> present+
19:05:12 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
19:05:12 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
19:05:28 <Jem_> Topic: Meeting time pole
19:05:33 <Siri> present+
19:05:36 <Jem_> https://forms.gle/eDmsurK4iqY4dazdA (
19:05:48 <Jem_> present+ Jemma
19:06:10 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: we have times in the poll for 7am and 8am Pacific
19:06:18 <Adam_Page> ... don’t think we want those in the poll
19:06:25 <Adam_Page> Jem_: okay, I’ve removed just now
19:07:00 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: should also delete any times that conflict with other W3C calls
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19:09:53 <Adam_Page> Jem_: I’ve updated all the time options in the poll
19:09:54 <Jem_> https://forms.gle/eDmsurK4iqY4dazdA (
19:10:00 <Jem_> https://forms.gle/eDmsurK4iqY4dazdA
19:11:08 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: we might want to run this poll through the first full week of Jan
19:11:14 <Adam_Page> ... to include the meeting on Jan 6
19:11:17 <Adam_Page> ... so run the poll through the 12th
19:11:30 <Adam_Page> ... to give time before the Jan 20 meeting to compile results and make recommendation
19:11:32 <Adam_Page> Jem_: sounds good
19:11:40 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: we could even run it to Jan 16
19:12:24 <Adam_Page> ... please send poll to the APG public email distro and Slack channel
19:12:36 <Adam_Page> ... and to the public ARIA WG email distro, in case anyone there might want to join
19:14:59 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: if we stay on the same biweekly cadence, the first meeting in the new time slot will start the week of Feb 2
19:15:12 <Adam_Page> Topic: PR 3386: Update APG support tables
19:15:13 <Siri> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3386
19:15:25 <Adam_Page> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3386
19:16:08 <Jem_> https://deploy-preview-443--aria-practices.netlify.app/aria/apg/patterns/alert/examples/alert/
19:17:16 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: there’s a “View full report” link, and you need to make sure it goes to the correct report
19:17:39 <Adam_Page> Siri: I’ll confirm for each pattern
19:19:16 <Adam_Page> Topic: Publication planning
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19:20:30 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: do we just take the main branch and make a PR to merge into the publication branch — is that correct?
19:20:32 <Adam_Page> howard-e: yes
19:20:38 <Adam_Page> ... there’s a template in the wiki
19:21:00 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: same script as changelogs
19:21:03 <Adam_Page> ... okay, I did see that in the wiki
19:21:05 <Adam_Page> ... great, thank you
19:21:17 <Adam_Page> ... so for this next publication, I’ll own doing the PR
19:21:31 <Adam_Page> ... I’ll find the template and email you with questions, howard-e
19:21:48 <Adam_Page> ... we have multiple PRs that are close but not quite ready
19:22:07 <Adam_Page> ... thinking that there isn’t necessarily a good reason to tidy these up by tomorrow
19:22:16 <Adam_Page> ... so we could could do it right after the Jan 6 meeting
19:22:22 <Adam_Page> ... still some feedback on CurtBellew’s PR
19:22:31 <Adam_Page> ... haven’t reviewed Adam_Page’s PR
19:22:36 <Adam_Page> ... another editorial PR in my backog
19:22:40 <Adam_Page> ... we did get skipto
19:22:59 <Adam_Page> s/backog/backlog/
19:22:59 <Adam_Page> ... so if we did release tomorrow, we’d have skipto merged
19:23:13 <Adam_Page> ... but only that
19:23:33 <Adam_Page> ... so my recommendation is we change the release to be after Jan 6 meeting
19:23:44 <Adam_Page> Adam_Page: sounds good to me
19:24:01 <Adam_Page> jongund: yep, no rush for the skipto
19:24:09 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: okay, I‘ll change the milestone
19:24:28 <Adam_Page> ... the other one we’d have ready is AT support tables
19:24:34 <Adam_Page> ... it’s a graceful degradation
19:24:59 <Adam_Page> ... it doesn’t actually break anything, it just doesn’t show the data — so okay waiting until after the holiday for that
19:25:05 <Adam_Page> Topic: PR 3372: listbox example with aria-actions
19:25:15 <Adam_Page> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3372
19:25:21 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: have lots of feedback to talk through
19:26:06 <Jem_> rrsagent, make minutes
19:26:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/16-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem_
19:26:21 <Adam_Page> ... CurtBellew did lots of work to get checks passing
19:26:25 <Adam_Page> CurtBellew: yeah :-)
19:26:59 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: let’s talk about stuff that’s related to code
19:27:03 <Adam_Page> ... JoeLamyman had feedback about conventions
19:27:24 <Adam_Page> CurtBellew: I haven’t had the chance to act on any of the feedback yet, but I did read it
19:27:44 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: thank you very much for absorbing the code style guide, JoeLamyman!
19:28:24 <Adam_Page> ... there was also something from Ari about hover
19:28:32 <Adam_Page> CurtBellew: yeah, I may need to remove a line of CSS
19:28:59 <Adam_Page> ... when you’re using both a mouse and a keyboard
19:29:14 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: there’s one related to overlap
19:29:35 <Adam_Page> ... someone made a comment about using both keyboard and mouse
19:30:00 <Adam_Page> jongund: yeah, on my Mac
19:30:00 <Jem_> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/3372#pullrequestreview-3580026033
19:30:19 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: don’t know the root cause of this
19:30:59 <Adam_Page> jongund: I check these multimodal scenarios sometimes
19:31:30 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: we’ve had similar issues in the past where SR users accidentally activate things when they don’t know where their mouse cursor is and it happens to be in an influential location
19:31:50 <Adam_Page> jongund: yes, the arrow keys don’t seem to work depending on the mouse cursor location
19:32:14 <Adam_Page> ... has there be any discussion about how AT should support this?
19:32:35 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: yes, Vispero is working on this, and this is the main point of this experiment — to work through the details of that
19:32:57 <Adam_Page> ... currently, the browser isn’t doing everything Vispero needs
19:33:52 <Adam_Page> ... we don’t want to put a toolbar around the buttons, because you can’t put a toolbar inside an option
19:34:13 <Adam_Page> jongund: so this will affect validators
19:34:15 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: yes
19:34:21 <Adam_Page> ... but this is still a proposal
19:35:08 <Adam_Page> ... we’re discussing this in the ARIA WG, where the feature is being specified
19:35:26 <Jem_> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/3193
19:35:37 <Adam_Page> jongund: I’m concerned about the non-linearity of it
19:35:56 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: so we do not want to put a toolbar around the buttons
19:36:14 <Adam_Page> jongund: I assume the interface for the AT will just announce “Hey, there are 5 actions here”
19:36:18 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: yes
19:36:30 <Adam_Page> ... they just need to be something that receives a click event
19:36:59 <Adam_Page> ... so CurtBellew, this particular bug is something to address
19:36:59 <Adam_Page> ... and then the question about the visual design that Ari raised is separate
19:36:59 <Adam_Page> CurtBellew: yeah
19:37:14 <Adam_Page> ... I had one question
19:37:14 <Adam_Page> ... these are selectable
19:37:20 <Adam_Page> ... if I click Plutonium, I get a checkmark next to it
19:37:37 <Adam_Page> ... there was a question: should we put a visual indication of whether it’s been favorited
19:40:33 <Adam_Page> Jem_: I think we should have a more user-friendly example than the transuranic elements
19:48:37 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: say it’s a list of chats
19:48:59 <Adam_Page> ... and each option is a person’s name
19:49:10 <Adam_Page> ... and there’s a mini-panel with chat content for one selected person
19:49:28 <Adam_Page> ... it would be a list of things where you’re changing the content of another panel
19:49:47 <Adam_Page> ... sort of like tabs
19:50:28 <Adam_Page> jongund: if you want something simpler, it could just be “alphabetize this list of words”
19:50:36 <Adam_Page> ... and when you successfully alphabetize, we show “you win”
19:51:00 <Adam_Page> Jem_: I like the simplicity
19:51:24 <Adam_Page> jongund: and there would be 4 actions: move to first, move to previous, move to next, move to last
19:51:39 <Adam_Page> ... or “Rank your favorite sports and delete sports you don’t like”
19:51:58 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: but we want to make use of the concept of selection
19:52:15 <Adam_Page> ... so we could have a mini-panel with “latest data on this sport”
19:59:00 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: CurtBellew, if it’s helpful, I can put together a content proposal
19:59:00 <Adam_Page> ... and add it as a comment to the PR
19:59:00 <Adam_Page> CurtBellew: yes, please
19:59:02 <Adam_Page> ... and I’ll look into the mouse/keyboard conflict
19:59:12 <Adam_Page> Matt_King: we don’t need more than 5 items in the list
20:01:28 <Adam_Page> zakim, end meeting
20:01:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JoeLamyman, Adam_Page, Siri, Jemma, CurtBellew, jongund, Jem_, Matt_King, howard-e
20:01:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
20:01:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/16-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim
20:01:39 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Adam_Page; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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