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14:48:40 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
14:48:40 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:48:40 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/12/05-forms-minutes
14:48:53 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Dec/0007
14:48:58 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/12-forms-minutes.html Steven
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14:59:39 <Steven> Topic: Sorting spec text
14:59:39 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Dec/0006
15:00:04 <Steven> Steven: Posted today, take a couple of minutes to have a look
15:01:14 <Steven> Erik: About nesting of binds]
15:01:18 <Steven> s/]//
15:02:06 <Steven> Steven: We allow the same with constrain, so I've just used the same mechanism for sort
15:02:14 <Steven> s/constrain/constraint/
15:03:52 <Steven> Erik: Seems OK, I don;t remember why I had an issue before with the context
15:06:40 <Steven> s/;/'/
15:06:49 <Steven> Erik: Why do you add the note to insert?
15:08:11 <Steven> Steven: Because the effect will be different inserting into a sorted nodeset
15:08:54 <Steven> ... should we make it a requirement that it is inserted in the right place
15:09:34 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Make it a requirement that a node gets inserted in the right position in a sorted nodeset
15:09:56 <Steven> Alain: What about types for @sort?
15:10:34 <Steven> ... does it sort according to the type?
15:10:52 <Steven> Steven: I use "less than" and "greater than". Would you like it to be more specific.
15:13:19 <Steven> Erik: What happens if you have a malformed value, or empty. What do you do in that case?
15:14:01 <Steven> Steven: IF you filter on less-than, then it should work like that.
15:14:06 <Steven> s/IF/If/
15:15:22 <Steven> Erik: XPath 2 has this concept, and it is a dynamic error
15:17:04 <Steven> Steven: items[. &gt; preceding-sibling::*]
15:18:16 <Steven> Erik: In our implementation where if the node is empty or not an integer when it should be, then we have a dynamic error
15:18:45 <Steven> ... The evaluation will stop in our case
15:19:43 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#XPath_Expressions_in_XForms
15:22:56 <Steven> Error Handling
15:22:56 <Steven> If an error occurs in an XPath function, then an xforms-expression-error EventXF, xforms-binding-error EventXF, or xforms-action-error EventXF is dispatched.
15:24:00 <Steven> Steven: So it looks like if a comparison is wrong, then we get an expression-error
15:24:16 <Steven> Erik: So the sort will be inbterrupted
15:24:33 <Steven> s/inb/in/
15:24:46 <Steven> Steven: No different from a @calculate though?
15:25:31 <Steven> ..."f the evaluation fails, the value content is set to the empty string."
15:26:02 <Steven> Erik: We could mention what happens, "the sort is not completed or performed"
15:26:40 <Steven> Steven: So if any of the comparisons fail, the sort stops
15:27:01 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add error conditions for sort
15:28:15 <Steven> Topic: Next meeting
15:28:23 <Steven> Next week
15:28:27 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:28:37 <Steven> [None]
15:28:51 <Steven> Steven: 3 days to ixml symposium submission deadline
15:28:58 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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15:29:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/12-forms-minutes.html Steven
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