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17:01:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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17:02:54 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public
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17:03:11 <AndyS> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
17:03:22 <pchampin> meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG meeting
17:03:24 <pchampin> chair: ora
17:03:53 <pchampin> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/11e4d020-9c58-4fff-83c5-37c9e2502295/20251211T120000/#agenda
17:03:53 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:03:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/12/04-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:03:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
17:03:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Updates from the SPARQL TF
17:03:54 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
17:03:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
17:04:00 <AndyS> present+ ora, pchampin
17:04:13 <pchampin> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/12/04-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:04:21 <pchampin> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/12/18-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:04:31 <AndyS> present+ TallTed
17:04:32 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:04:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:04:47 <pfps> scribe+ pfps
17:04:58 <niklasl> present+
17:05:07 <pfps> zakim, open agendum 1
17:05:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/12/04-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:05:16 <pfps> ora: last week's minutes
17:05:22 <AndyS> present+ olaf
17:05:36 <pfps> look OK to me
17:05:44 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from two weeks ago
17:05:46 <AndyS> present+ j22
17:05:46 <ora> +1
17:05:48 <pfps> +1
17:05:50 <gtw> +1
17:05:51 <Souri> +1
17:05:52 <niklasl> +1
17:05:53 <pchampin> +1
17:06:08 <AndyS> present+ tl
17:06:08 <olaf> +0 (wasn't there)
17:06:08 <AndyS> +1
17:06:08 <tl> +1
17:06:24 <enrico> +1
17:06:24 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:06:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
17:06:32 <lisp> +1
17:06:36 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from two weeks ago
17:06:44 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
17:06:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:07:25 <AndyS> present+ felix
17:07:34 <pfps> ora: what's happening with #184
17:07:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/184 -> Action 184 import language from rdf-canon into rdf-concepts about the complexity of graph processing (on pchampin) due 2025-12-11
17:08:07 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/259
17:08:08 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/259 -> Pull Request 259 mention graph isomorphism in security considerations (by pchampin)
17:08:18 <pfps> pchampin: I opened a PR for it, but it isn't linked
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17:08:31 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:08:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
17:09:56 <pfps> ora: the PR should appease the security people
17:10:03 <ora> q?
17:10:49 <pfps> pchampin: there are some comment, but convergence is in sight
17:11:19 <pfps> andy: there are some editorial issues wrt #185
17:11:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/185 -> Action 185  PR to just remove the note referencing 1.2 test cases. (on afs) due 2025-12-11
17:11:35 <AndyS> s/andy:/AndyS:/
17:11:59 <ora> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/18
17:12:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/18 -> Pull Request 18 what properties can or should link to triple terms? (by rdfguy)
17:12:12 <pfps> ora: any concerns on this PR?
17:12:29 <pfps> ora: if not, I'll merge it tomorrow
17:12:39 <pfps> AndyS: there are some editorial issues
17:12:45 <pfps> ora: I'll fix them
17:13:27 <pfps> pchampin: can I close my action on graph isomorphism?
17:13:38 <pfps> ora: there is a PR so the action can be closed
17:13:54 <ora> Zakim, open agendum 3
17:13:54 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Updates from the SPARQL TF -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:14:34 <pfps> AndyS: the meeting has been moved slightly later so that people can listen to a discussion on benchmarking
17:15:04 <pfps> AndyS: the agenda is to bring things that need to be done
17:15:16 <pfps> ora: anything to report
17:15:28 <pfps> AndyS: olaf is working on EXISTS
17:16:00 <pfps> thats EXISTStential :-)
17:16:44 <pfps> ora: we'll make a report on SPARQL part of the WG meetings
17:16:53 <ora> Zakim, open agendum 4
17:16:53 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:17:24 <pfps> ora: horizontal reviews are ongoing
17:17:47 <pchampin> q+
17:17:53 <pfps> ora: editorial notes in Concepts mostly gone
17:18:02 <pfps> ora: what about test cases?
17:18:08 <pfps> AndyS: working on this
17:18:32 <pfps> pchampin: RDF interop is being published as a draft note next Tuesday
17:18:49 <pfps> AndyS: then that note can be resolved
17:19:08 <pfps> ora: what working needs to be modified
17:19:24 <pfps> pchampin: there is no more "unstar" so that needs to be changed
17:19:37 <pfps> pchampin: a pointer to the draft note can be added now
17:20:48 <pchampin> q+
17:20:50 <pfps> ora: line item 6 is your work, Andy?
17:21:10 <pfps> AndyS: yes, but there still needs to be an implementation document
17:21:32 <pfps> ora: line item 1?
17:21:58 <pfps> pchampin: there are still some pending comments
17:22:33 <pfps> pchampin: the suggestion is to just define the parameter w/o an IRI
17:22:56 <pfps> AndyS: i think it is a bad idea to put an IRI in the MIME type document
17:23:24 <ora> ack pchampin
17:24:09 <pfps> pchampin: I agree, but the IRI belongs somewhere in the spec
17:24:26 <pfps> ora: If the IRI is not in the MIME type registration what happens
17:24:47 <pfps> AndyS: then the MIME registration just says that there can be any value
17:25:10 <pfps> ora: that appears to be in line with the overall spirit of things
17:25:27 <pfps> pchampin:  I'll remove the IRI and make the PR generic
17:25:44 <pfps> pchampin: The rest is not urgent
17:26:02 <pfps> ora: who does the INA registration?
17:26:20 <pfps> pchampin: That would be me, on behalf of W3C
17:26:35 <pfps> ora: we just make sure that it happens
17:26:42 <pfps> pchampin: I'll add an action
17:26:45 <AZ> s/INA/IANA/
17:27:00 <lisp> q+
17:27:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/issues/76 -> Issue 76 Update media type registration (by afs)
17:27:07 <ora> ack lisp
17:27:11 <pfps> Zackim, next agendum
17:27:32 <AndyS> q+
17:27:38 <ora> ack AndyS
17:27:43 <pfps> lisp: If we have time can we discuss if there needs to be any change for the MIME type registrations
17:28:08 <pfps> AndyS: the MIME type registration has to say that these parameters exist
17:28:40 <pfps> AndyS: so that they can provide helpful information
17:28:53 <pfps> ora: what happens if the IRI is unrecognized
17:29:05 <pchampin> +1, profiles can be ignored if you don't understand them
17:29:26 <pfps> AndyS: you can ignore them, they can't change meaning
17:29:26 <lisp> q+
17:29:35 <ora> ack lisp
17:30:14 <pfps> lisp: you are saying that this is change to the registration?
17:30:29 <pfps> AndyS: profiles are a general feature
17:30:53 <pfps> AndyS: version is slightly different - its a closed enumeration controlled by the WG
17:31:19 <AndyS> RFC 6906
17:31:25 <pfps> ora: for this spec (XXX 1.2)
17:31:48 <pfps> AndyS: later WGs can change the spec and add new permissable versions
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17:32:34 <pfps> AndyS: version should go in the graph store and ... protocols
17:32:42 <enrico_> present+
17:33:25 <pfps> AndyS: for protocol we should add something to the protocols
17:33:59 <pfps> AndyS: if the MIME type registration doesn't mention protocols then having one would be unexpected and is either bad practice or forbidden
17:34:51 <pfps> AndyS: protocol is open-ended and can be multiple
17:35:00 <niklasl> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6838#section-4.3
17:36:47 <pfps> ora: then our spec states the version tag that we use
17:36:52 <AndyS> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6906
17:37:16 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:37:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:38:40 <pfps> ora: so we can say that not having profile values is late-binding
17:39:02 <pfps> AndyS: it's not just us but general usage
17:39:28 <pchampin> i|editorial notes in Concepts mostly gone|subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248
17:39:57 <pfps> ora: james are you satisfied
17:40:19 <pchampin> i|line item 1?|subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/76
17:40:32 <pfps> lisp: but the wording includes "values"
17:40:57 <pfps> lisp: I would not vote against our approach
17:41:21 <pchampin> q+
17:41:29 <ora> ack pchampin
17:41:34 <pfps> lisp: the registration needs to mention that there are protocols and versions
17:42:08 <pfps> pchampin: we could say that protocol can take any IRI
17:42:10 <lisp> q+
17:42:27 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:42:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:42:59 <pfps> lisp: putting the syntax in the registration means that texts can parsed
17:43:01 <ora> ack lisp
17:43:09 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/76
17:43:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/76 -> Pull Request 76 Add profile parameter (by pchampin) [ms:CR]
17:43:27 <pfps> AndyS: you could review the PR, james
17:44:07 <pfps> s/IRI/URI/
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17:44:56 <pfps> pchampin: they are URIs and may need encoding
17:44:59 <fsasaki> present+
17:45:19 <pfps> AndyS: HTTP headers are already ASCII so they need encoding
17:45:39 <pchampin> action pchampin to handle the media-type registrations at IETF
17:45:58 <pfps> ora: should we put something in the spec to remind people about this URI thing
17:46:56 <pfps> ora: anything else?
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