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13:51:14 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:51:39 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:51:43 <janina> Date 10 Dec 2025
13:51:47 <janina> Chair: Janina
13:51:53 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025 Followup
13:51:53 <janina> agenda+ New Charters
13:51:53 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:51:53 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
13:51:55 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:51:57 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:52:06 <janina>  agenda?
13:52:16 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
13:52:16 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:52:50 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:52:50 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025 Followup
13:52:50 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:52:50 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
13:52:50 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:52:53 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:53:09 <janina>  agenda?
13:53:29 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
13:53:29 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:54:11 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:54:11 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025 Followup
13:54:11 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:54:11 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:54:11 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
13:54:15 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:54:16 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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14:01:24 <janina> agenda?
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14:56:44 <janina> regrets: Irfan_Ali, Dr_Keith_Newton, Gottfried_Zimmerman
14:58:03 <janina> present+
14:58:10 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:58:11 <Zakim> Present: janina
14:58:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see daniel-mac, Fazio, RRSAgent, Zakim, kirkwood, wendyreid, janina, jcraig, gb, Roy_Ruoxi, chrishtr, hdv, alice, alastairc, slightlyoff, jyasskin, vmpstr, astearns,
14:58:13 <Zakim> ... Rachael
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15:01:49 <janina> Associate W3C and github here:
15:02:07 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/connectedaccounts
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15:02:14 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/10-apa-minutes.html matatk
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15:04:41 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
15:04:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:05:23 <Eric_hind> janina: TPAC follow up will continue for coming weeks and months
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15:06:08 <Eric_hind> janina: We do meet today and next week, then 2 week break, no 24th/31st.  Back in 2026
15:06:20 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
15:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2025 Followup -- taken up [from janina]
15:06:23 <Fredrik> present+
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15:07:34 <Eric_hind> matatk: For all APA impacted issues from TPAC, minutes and recordings are available.
15:08:24 <matatk> subtopic: ARIA & APA
15:08:25 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/359
15:11:30 <Eric_hind> matatk: Joint ARIA meeting, rebooted pronunciation task force. Focusing on use cases in recent weeks and have added a few.  Doc is focusing on end user needs.  Note that foreign/loan words can be problematic in that they can switch voice tones - which is jarring.  Ongoing look for parallel pronunication issues.
15:12:01 <Fazio> Look at the Down Syndrome community about voice changing suddenly causing issues
15:12:27 <Fazio> Other Intellectual Developmental Disability communities as well
15:13:24 <Eric_hind> matatk: Meeting on bringing in expertise like ARIA to APA meeting.  ARIA feels that different groups bring different strengths (technical, use cases) so there is consensus that more expertise in more areas is a good thing.
15:14:42 <Fazio> I have training documentation on trigger warnings
15:14:58 <Eric_hind> matatk: Trigger warnings from COGA - some future work is coming.
15:15:04 <Fazio> for instance needle images for vaccines
15:15:12 <matatk> q?
15:15:20 <Fazio> can trigger trauma responses
15:17:31 <Fazio> I'd love to do hardcore user research on trigger warnings
15:17:47 <Fazio> someone would need to fund it though
15:18:57 <Eric_hind> matatk: Two action items; if the action items are agreed to be reasonable, we'll mark them as in-scope for future work.
15:19:14 <matatk> subtopic: MEIG, TTWG, APA
15:19:14 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/360
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15:21:15 <Fazio> Clarity on my Youtube captioning comment at TPAC: Manual editing captions in Youtube and lining up the timing is incredibly user friendly and a game changer. I use it to teach captioning
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15:22:40 <Eric_hind> matatk: Meeting on media, APA related to topics such as DVB review (w/Andreas) - this is a taxonomy of media accessibility features, looking for buy in from the community (interoperability). They'll wait for comments until mid-January or so.
15:24:19 <Eric_hind> matatk: Looking for volunteers to review
15:24:27 <janina> Media User Accessibility Requirements (MAUR): http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs
15:26:05 <janina> Note also WCAG3 Media list
15:26:12 <Eric_hind> matatk: Other items from that meeting; resolved IMSC spec concerns for now.
15:28:18 <Eric_hind> matatk: Also ARIA notify api discussion; in some circumstances, this will make better fit for areas not well covered by live regions
15:28:51 <Eric_hind> janina: Will do the read through.
15:29:11 <Eric_hind> Ttsaulter: Will also do the read through.
15:29:27 <Eric_hind> tsaulter: Will also do the read through
15:30:22 <Eric_hind> Janina: Side note, if you are dropped via the lounge, please email janina / roy your time of occurance and IP to help debug
15:30:25 <matatk> agenda?
15:30:35 <matatk> topic: New on TR
15:30:43 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: SHACL 1.2 Rules
15:30:43 <Roy_Ruoxi> spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl12-rules/
15:30:43 <Roy_Ruoxi> tracking: https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/155/views/1?pane=issue&itemId=144302814&issue=w3c%7Ca11y-longitudinal-tracking%7C39
15:31:32 <matatk> SHACL 1.2 Overview: https://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl12-overview/
15:33:25 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
15:33:25 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:33:50 <matatk> subtopic: Web Sustainability Guidelines (meta-thread)
15:33:50 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/270
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15:36:37 <Eric_hind> matatk: Web sustainability guidelines review, Glenda has items in the issue for discussion and the feedback format can be pushed over to that group.  Matt has copied over a process about creating new tracking issue and getting approval for pushing those after APA review.  This gives us a tracking issue number that we can follow as addressed.
15:36:58 <Fazio> Found one of the important documents I incorporate into trigger warning design training: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.00968/full
15:37:42 <matatk> subtopic: RDF 1.2 Reviews (meta-thread)
15:37:42 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/278
15:38:19 <Fazio> basically users will avoid a region of the screen where the trigger exists. so lets say vaccine image. Means user may not get a needed vaccine because they avoid the region that shows a syringe and never schedule
15:38:51 <Eric_hind> matatk: RDP review has Frederick to review.  This is still in his priority queue within the next day or two.
15:40:01 <Eric_hind> matatk: Best place for comments are in the issue listed (278) in the IRC or follow the instructions if it would need APA consensus so we can collectively agree before submitting.
15:40:48 <Eric_hind> matatk: If anyone needs help, please ping the list.
15:41:04 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
15:41:04 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:41:57 <Eric_hind> matatk: Items flagged by Paul - do we want to make a tracking issue.
15:42:04 <matatk> subtopic: CSS Content publishing without AAM
15:42:04 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/276
15:43:26 <Eric_hind> paulg: AAM mappings are not well mapped to CSS.  Not that taken up yet so it isn't as widely used.
15:45:23 <Eric_hind> matatk: This is a large thread - there are additional concerns that we should link back up, maybe the ARIA repositories.  Paul will research.
15:45:40 <Fredrik> rrsagent, make minutes
15:45:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/10-apa-minutes.html Fredrik
15:46:10 <matatk> subtopic: CSS Tables has risen from the dead
15:46:10 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/275
15:47:47 <Eric_hind> paulg: this is a spec for table like structure for table style layouts.  May need more information as the use case where this would apply is not clear.
15:50:52 <Eric_hind> matatk: if paulg can create a tracking issue for this week or early next week, it can start to be reviewed quickly
15:51:31 <matatk> subtopic: `<meta name="text-scale" value="scale">`
15:51:32 <matatk> Explainer: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/blob/main/css-env-1/explainers/meta-text-scale.md) (an APA tracking issue will appear shortly; I'll update this agenda with that thread, and my comments on it, in the next day)
15:51:32 <matatk> Tracking issue for font keyword question: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/274
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15:53:31 <Eric_hind> matatk: purpose is to make base font size updates reflect more globally on a system in an opt-in basis.
15:54:43 <Eric_hind> matatk: Discussion is around breakage versus opting in to scaling.  If anyone interested, please do feel free to review next week.
15:55:31 <matatk> q?
15:55:49 <Eric_hind> zakim, end meeting
15:55:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Eric_hind, PaulG, matatk, Fazio, Roy_Ruoxi, tsaulter, stevef, Fredrik, Neha
15:55:51 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:55:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/10-apa-minutes.html Zakim
15:55:59 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Eric_hind; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:59:15 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:59:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items