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14:54:48 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Dec/0001
14:55:03 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
14:55:03 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:55:03 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/28-forms-minutes
14:55:10 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/05-forms-minutes.html Steven
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15:00:38 <Steven> Present: Steven, Alain, Erik
15:00:53 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven to spec file read and write
15:00:53 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/28-forms-minutes.html#df79
15:01:44 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Dec/0002.html
15:02:35 <Steven> Steven: Please check that you are OK with thiis: https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_File_Protocol
15:03:48 <Steven> Topic: [back] and [wake] events
15:03:48 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Dec/0000
15:04:53 <Steven> Steven: Second link should be https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30933244/how-to-detect-wake-from-sleep-in-the-browser-on-ios-android
15:05:48 <Steven> Alain: There are some restrictions
15:06:02 <Steven> .... it depends on what you are expecting
15:07:15 <Steven> ... there is an event 'before-unload', it is just about [back]
15:07:46 <Steven> Erik: We discussed this before. My view is that there is no reliable way to do it.
15:08:18 <Steven> ... it's unclear to me that this really works...
15:09:11 <Steven> ... the back button does not necessarily leave the document
15:09:28 <Steven> ... pop-state event
15:09:37 <Steven> ... I see negative comments.
15:09:58 <Steven> ... Im unclear if any of this works
15:10:04 <Steven> s/Im/I'm/
15:10:46 <Steven> Erik: We don't want to lose state on back, the only thing to do is to warn the user.
15:12:00 <Steven> Steven: Steven: So single-page apps, how do they do it?
15:14:41 <Steven> Erik: You can catch unload, and ask if the user really wants that
15:14:57 <Steven> ... but you can;t do any processing.
15:15:04 <Steven> s/;/'/
15:15:31 <Steven> ... the documentation says that the event is not reliably fired.
15:16:51 <Steven> Steven: So you don't think that back is possible to catch?
15:17:42 <Steven> ... couldn;t an implementation push a state, and then a pop-state could be caught
15:17:45 <Steven> s/;/'/
15:21:39 <Steven> Steven: Difficult. How about the wake event?
15:21:47 <Steven> Erik: Seems more doable.
15:24:10 <Steven> Steven: I have apps in tabs, and returning I'd like to be able check that the state is still consistent (date, data still current, etc)
15:25:30 <Steven> Erik: There's an API that dispatches events when the browser navigates back to your document
15:25:38 <Steven> ... or returns from being frozen
15:26:11 <Steven> ... page lifecycle API maybe
15:26:20 <ebruchez> https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/page-lifecycle-api
15:29:10 <Steven> Steven: I see focus event on the page. That looks like what I want
15:29:33 <Steven> ... I think the result is "Needs more research"
15:30:25 <Steven> Topic: Coming meetings
15:30:54 <Steven> Steven: Meet next week.
15:31:00 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:31:37 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:32:01 <Steven> s/ii/i/
15:34:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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