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15:39:19 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), dom
15:39:41 <dom> Meeting: Community Group Program
15:39:46 <dom> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-council/2025Nov/0006.html
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16:00:02 <Ian> zakim, who's here?
16:00:02 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
16:00:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see denis, RRSAgent, Zakim, tzviya, cwilso, Ian, dom
16:00:08 <Ian> present+ Wolfgang
16:00:15 <Ian> present+ Song
16:00:17 <Ian> prsent+ Niklas
16:00:20 <Ian> present+ Niklas
16:00:22 <Ian> present+ Ian
16:00:53 <Ian> present+ Dom
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16:02:02 <Ian> present+ Chris_Wilson
16:02:40 <dom> Present+ Denis
16:03:00 <Ian> present+ Peter_Rushforth
16:03:17 <Ian> Topic: AI Agent Protocol
16:03:21 <niklasmerz> present+ Niklas Merz
16:03:57 <dom> Present+ Elf
16:04:03 <Ian> Song: Thanks for having me; sorry I missed last call
16:04:20 <dom> Slideset: Song_slides
16:04:26 <dom>  scribe+
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16:05:13 <PeterR> present+
16:05:28 <Ian> present+ Owen_Ambur
16:07:14 <dom> [slide 4]
16:09:04 <dom> [slide 5]
16:09:31 <dom> [slide 6]
16:09:50 <dom> [slide 7]
16:11:19 <dom> [slide 10]
16:12:03 <dom> [slide 11]
16:13:10 <dom> [slide 12]
16:15:16 <Ian> -> https://www.agent-network-protocol.com/ ANP protocol site
16:17:23 <dom> [slide 13]
16:17:27 <dom> [slide 14]
16:22:11 <dom> Topic: CG Program topics
16:22:24 <Ian> AI-related
16:22:24 <Ian> AI-driven Web Standards Specification
16:22:24 <Ian> Agentic Arbitration Protocol
16:22:24 <Ian> Semantic Agent Communication
16:22:24 <Ian> Other
16:22:27 <Ian> Autofill
16:22:29 <Ian> Infinite Canvas
16:22:31 <Ian> Data Documentation
16:22:33 <Ian> Data Interoperating Architecture
16:22:35 <Ian> Cybernetic Avatar
16:22:37 <dom>  Ian: 8 new CGs since our last October meeting,  3 of which AI-related
16:23:02 <dom> ... maybe we should organize a AI-CG get-together
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16:23:56 <dom> ... We are setting in place a system to have new CG chairs automatically informed about this meeting
16:24:23 <dom> ... We had a discussion with PSIG about adoption of CG specs by non-W3C SDOs
16:24:32 <dom> ... the CLA describes how specs move from CG to W3C WGs
16:24:55 <dom> ... but we know of 25+ specs that have transitioned to other orgs, and we had had requests to make that process easier
16:25:42 <dom> ... the Patent and Standards Interest Group (PSIG) indicated that for WHATWG, everything is in place, for the others, too complex to treat generally
16:26:17 <dom> ... tooling support is a good start
16:28:05 <dom> ... At TPAC, we presented mockups for CG Reports
16:28:15 <Ian> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-96YXga4LLRDmWITdUnjjFtnRnftkS0Dk_yJKBeHBgA/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p
16:29:12 <dom> ... we got a lot of feedback, incl making the language about "not being w3c standards" less hostile/more positive
16:29:39 <dom> ... suggesting to make the style more distinct from W3C TRs
16:30:34 <dom> ... and a suggestion to have a quick signal on "how mature" a report (in terms of a progress bar)
16:30:59 <dom> ... which will be integrated in the next round of mockup
16:31:47 <dom> ... with 4 stages (early, experimental implementation, standardization plan, transferred) with link to more detailed data below
16:32:10 <dom> ... we also discussed metadata management based on work Denis, Dom and Xiaoqian started
16:33:05 <dom> ... distinguishing frozen metadata in snapshots from live metadata in live editors draft
16:33:44 <dom> ... with the exception of abandonment/transfer state that may need to be forced into snapshots if they were not getting updated to reflect the situation
16:33:54 <dom> Present+ Deborah
16:34:40 <dom> ... Open question on final reports: today, they're published on w3.org via a github pull request workflow
16:35:09 <dom> ... with the goal of reducing confusion between CG/WG - should we move away from using w3.org for these final reports?
16:36:36 <dom> Elf: in SOLID CG, we submitted some of the reports for the LWS WG; we discussed whether they needed to be made final
16:36:46 <dom> ... my understanding is that this wasn't so critical
16:37:00 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/cg-program/blob/main/proposals/spec-lifecycle.md
16:37:35 <dom> Ian: the new spec lifecyle hopefully clarifies this, with the "transfered" state
16:37:47 <dom> ... we would be interested in feedback
16:38:18 <Ian> Dom: The question of where to publish would be for snapshots (e.g., those associated with final spec agreements)
16:38:26 <Ian> ...the reason to have them on w3.org related to additional IPR commitments
16:41:17 <dom> Peter: having a place to host final specs on w3c domain is a good feature, to avoid relying on potential domains infrastructure used by CGs
16:41:52 <dom> wolfgang: important to have something reliable, stable, independent of github for all final snapshots,
16:42:15 <Ian> wolfgang: Searchability important
16:42:27 <dom> ... this also makes W3C s point of reference to find this type of technical specs
16:42:49 <dom> Debbie: +1 on having final reports on w3.org so we know where they are, to make sure they don't go away
16:43:24 <dom> ... having a bit more of paperwork to get the final spec stage is a good forcing function for CGs
16:43:33 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:43:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/04-cg-program-minutes.html dom
16:45:52 <Ian> Dom: We welcome feedback (here or in email) about the usefulness of this (relatively new) call
16:46:33 <Ian> Topic: next meeting
16:46:50 <Ian> 18 February at 16h00 UTC
16:47:03 <Ian> Anticipating Solid CG election procedure presentation at next meeting.
16:47:04 <PeterR> Feedback: The calls are excellent, presentations by new CGs are also a great idea to establish a CG culture.
16:47:35 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:47:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/04-cg-program-minutes.html dom