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13:40:10 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:40:15 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:40:15 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025 Recap
13:40:15 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
13:40:15 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:40:15 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:40:17 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:40:20 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:40:31 <janina>  Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:40:37 <janina> Date: 03 Dec 2025
13:40:41 <janina> Chair: Janina
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14:57:24 <janina> agenda?
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15:05:40 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:05:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:07:07 <IrfanA> Fazio: updates on a conference. asking for any contribution or sharing any research and submitting the papers. ICCHP
15:07:33 <IrfanA> will share the link with the team to submit the papers once he gets it.
15:07:36 <matatk> https://icchp.org/
15:08:15 <IrfanA> matatk: COGA does lots of things in this area.
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15:08:47 <Neha> present+
15:09:11 <IrfanA> janina: Eric is setup as an invited expert now.
15:09:30 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:09:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/03-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:09:40 <matatk> subtopic: COGA Research Papers
15:10:47 <IrfanA> matatk: we close to call for consensus in COGA issue papers. We talked in TPAC. Lisa and JUlie and COGA team and us have been working on this. IT might go out this week. There are small procedural issues to address and then we are good to go.
15:11:27 <IrfanA> matatk: watch out for a call. It will probably will run after the meeting next week.
15:11:48 <IrfanA> janina: we will publish it this year.
15:12:08 <IrfanA> matatk: COGA would like to publish FWD and get feedback
15:12:10 <matatk> q?
15:12:11 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:12:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2025 Recap -- taken up [from janina]
15:14:07 <IrfanA> matatk: I havent finished reporting on this. but there are things that want to mention.
15:14:24 <IrfanA> one of the things, the horizontal review.
15:15:12 <IrfanA> APA is providing use cases helping people with disabilities and helping COGA
15:16:31 <IrfanA> proposed new HTML element 'amount' and great discussion about this.
15:16:52 <Fazio> I think I missed this session :(
15:16:56 <IrfanA> there are several use cases that COGA can contribute to
15:17:35 <janina> Related item in Edge Capabilities: https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/#pricing
15:18:07 <IrfanA> Janina and I will get some use cases of COGA and we will be touch with COGA through Lisa, Julie, and Eric. We will use the standard process to raising issues.
15:18:13 <IrfanA> Eric can then help coordinating
15:19:03 <IrfanA> we talked about how to make guthub process more accessible. there are a few ideas that we can agree to make cooridnation process more accessible. perhaps commandline tool can help us
15:19:18 <IrfanA> some people in COGA might find it useful
15:19:28 <IrfanA> other option is google sheet
15:20:12 <IrfanA> there are more thing from TPAC.
15:20:48 <IrfanA> We also talked on improving horizontal review here at APA.
15:20:57 <IrfanA> we talked about changing the process
15:21:07 <IrfanA> making it faster, better
15:21:24 <IrfanA> management is happy to make those changes to make ti simpler
15:23:27 <matatk> q?
15:23:47 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:23:47 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
15:24:12 <tsaulter> q+
15:24:31 <matatk> ack tsaulter
15:25:37 <IrfanA> tsaulter: TPAC wrapup and issue tracking.
15:25:53 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: CSS Backgrounds Module Level 4
15:26:06 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-longitudinal-tracking/issues/38
15:26:22 <Roy_Ruoxi> URL: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-backgrounds-4/
15:27:46 <IrfanA> PaulG: havent attended any group meeting and have no idea if it has been discussed recently.
15:28:05 <mike_beganyi> q?
15:29:04 <IrfanA> PaulG: just a syntax change and not worth to discussing
15:29:15 <matatk> q?
15:29:27 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:29:28 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:29:37 <tsaulter> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/116#issuecomment-3605993169
15:29:55 <IrfanA> matatk: it was discussed at TPAC
15:31:17 <IrfanA> it was more of a limitation of certain AT. if thats the case than they are adopting the right case.
15:31:52 <IrfanA> tsaulter: browser is not exposing it in a certain way which is documented in TPAC notes.
15:31:58 <IrfanA> matatk: will check those minutes
15:32:26 <IrfanA> and will send an email to summarize that. anything concerning will be flagged
15:33:14 <IrfanA> matatk: we have a few different specs that are related to each other
15:33:20 <matatk> subtopic: rdf12-semantics
15:33:20 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/139
15:33:20 <matatk> subtopic: rdf12-n-triples
15:33:20 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/138
15:33:21 <matatk> subtopic: rdf12-concepts
15:33:21 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/137
15:33:37 <IrfanA> s/than/then
15:34:08 <IrfanA> anyone wants to have a look to ensure that we are not missing anything?
15:34:57 <IrfanA> it has a deadline e.g. 23rd December. looks like a transition request
15:35:08 <IrfanA> janina: its been a while since it was done.
15:35:47 <Eric_hind> I can ask Lisa as well?
15:36:35 <IrfanA> matatk: there are three specs. the purpose of review to ensure there is no concern. there is a list of review request. we want to come back to it in next couple of weeks before the 23rd Dec.
15:36:50 <IrfanA> Fredrik will get some issues assigned in gitHub
15:37:07 <IrfanA> matatk: Lisa is expert but she might be busy
15:37:29 <matatk> q?
15:37:44 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:37:44 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:38:02 <matatk> subtopic: WG New Spec: scroll-triggered aminations
15:38:02 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/272
15:38:02 <matatk> (this is an addition to the agenda - recently opened)
15:38:30 <IrfanA> matatk: this is a tracking issue
15:38:48 <IrfanA> we can review and give some feedback if we need to
15:39:02 <IrfanA> explainer and specs are linked to design review
15:39:33 <matatk> Explainer: https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/scroll-triggered-animations/blob/main/README.md
15:39:33 <matatk> Specification: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-animations-2/#timeline-triggers
15:41:17 <IrfanA> PaulG: this is closely align to give a carousel use case.
15:41:30 <IrfanA> they have been doing it with JS long time
15:41:41 <IrfanA> animated view where you scroll to see the story
15:41:50 <IrfanA> we want to make it Tab but dont call a tab.
15:42:00 <IrfanA> it gets into so many trouble and dark spot
15:42:08 <IrfanA> I can review
15:42:30 <Glenda> q+
15:42:36 <IrfanA> but when you try to put it together with other parts, it seems complicated
15:43:54 <IrfanA> matatk: when you see it on igh level, this is how it is going to be used which could be concerning in terms of a11y point of view
15:44:05 <Glenda> are we considering the importance of respecting reduce motion?
15:44:06 <IrfanA> s/igh/high
15:45:33 <IrfanA> matatk: the mechanism is there and it should be checked.
15:45:44 <matatk> ack Glenda
15:46:10 <Fazio> huge cognitive implications
15:46:21 <Fazio> q+
15:47:45 <Fazio> the jumping impairs attention focus and cognition
15:49:47 <IrfanA> matatk: we are trying to prove the process of Horizontal review. any thought on this will be very much appreciated.
15:49:57 <IrfanA> s/prove/improve
15:51:23 <IrfanA> janina: as an organization we need to think of this. this thing is bubbling up and we do not want to stop creativity. all the work that epople want to do but the questions is governance and guiding people appropriately.  figuring out where is the landing point for these kind of development.
15:51:33 <IrfanA> working groups needs to be mindful of these kind of things
15:52:10 <IrfanA> matatk: I am doing some background research about how similar risk and potential solutions
15:52:12 <matatk> ack Fazio
15:52:50 <IrfanA> Fazio: talking about a few usecases
15:53:27 <IrfanA> matatk: if we add David to the review, could he write some stuff that APA can raise with them.
15:53:45 <IrfanA> Fazio: I can find some links
15:54:31 <IrfanA> matatk: we need to address it very quickly and if we are able to get some stuff together then we can forward this and talk about our concerns. we have limited window of opportunity
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15:56:03 <IrfanA> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/03-apa-minutes.html IrfanA
15:56:11 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
15:56:11 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Dr_Keith, mike_beganyi, Fazio, IrfanA, Roy_Ruoxi, PaulG, Eric_hind, matatk, tsaulter, Glenda, Neha
15:56:13 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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15:56:19 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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