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19:55:02 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
19:55:40 <Jem> zakim, who is here?
19:55:40 <Zakim> Present: Jem, jamesN     
19:55:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jem, jamesn, arigilmore, CurtBellew, Adam_Page, Zakim, Matt_King, github-bot, Daniel, agendabot, ZoeBijl
19:55:41 <jamesn> scribe+
19:55:42 <Jem> Topic: Agenda check-in
19:55:42 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-2%2C-2025-Agenda
19:55:42 <jamesn> topic: publication planning
19:55:43 <jongund> present+ jongund
19:55:43 <jamesn> Matt_King: There is a link to the milestone in the agenda. The target is to get the PRs in the milestone ready by the 16th so they can be published on the 17th
19:55:43 <jamesn> Matt_King: one is aspirational - there are 5 in total
19:55:44 <jamesn> Matt_King: #2991 is the aspirational one
19:55:44 <jamesn> #3213 - there are 3 requested reviews but I think this is done but the reviewers haven't posted their reviews yet
19:55:44 <jamesn> Adam_Page: I have reviewed this a few times at different steps
19:55:45 <jamesn> Matt_King: looking for a thumbs up
19:55:45 <jamesn> arigilmore: I can too
19:55:45 <jamesn> arigilmore: don't have an android device to test
19:55:46 <jamesn> Adam_Page: I do have one so can do that
19:55:46 <jamesn> Matt_King: #3374 is waiting on me
19:55:46 <Jem> https://deploy-preview-443--aria-practices.netlify.app/aria/apg/about/at-support-tables/
19:55:47 <jamesn> Matt_King: #3386 going to be looking for some reviewers next week
19:55:47 <jamesn> Matt_King: need to ensure the 17th works for publication. Daniel was checking for w3c team availability to publish
19:55:47 <jamesn> topic: 2026 Meeting time and schedule
19:55:48 <jamesn> Matt_King: do we want to keep the time? or should we run a poll
19:55:48 <jamesn> Adam_Page: I'd like to see a poll as I have collisions at this time
19:55:48 <jamesn> CurtBellew: earlier would be better for me
19:55:49 <Adam_Page> +1 to bi-weekly
19:55:49 <jamesn> Matt_King: weekly vs bi-weekly - was thinking how nice it would be to have APG and ARIA-AT both bi-weekly
19:55:49 <Jem> +1
19:55:50 <jamesn> Matt_King: there have been times when weekly meetings were very helpful - but other times when an off week would have worked very well
19:55:50 <CurtBellew> +1
19:55:50 <jamesn> Matt_King: trying to do things to keep the examples current - we have prioritized based on demand. All subject to change based on the group membership.
19:55:51 <Adam_Page> +1 to a dedicated Slack channel
19:55:51 <jamesn> <discussion of where to have async chat - slack vs other places>
19:55:51 <jamesn> going to use the #aria-apg channel on w3c slack servers
19:55:52 <jamesn> will go bi-weekly
19:55:52 <jamesn> poll on meeting time
19:55:52 <jamesn> topic: Issue 3193: listbox example with aria-actions
19:55:53 <jamesn> CurtBellew: should be able to review this week
19:55:53 <jamesn> Matt_King: because this is an experimental example we may not need to be as strict
19:55:53 <jamesn> topic: Guidance on focusability of disabled controls
19:55:54 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2318
19:55:55 <jamesn> Matt_King: general agreement that the spirit is good but needs some additional clarification.
19:55:55 <jamesn> Matt_King: the spirit was "it depends"
19:55:55 <jamesn> Matt_King: and that wasn't coming through clearly enough in how it was written and it sounded more prescriptive than intended
19:55:56 <jamesn> Adam_Page: I've increasingly avoided disabling elements - as it is a weird design decision that things can be made partially perceivable to some users
19:55:56 <jamesn> Adam_Page: found a few places where there is perhaps more strong guidance than intended
19:55:56 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2318#issuecomment-3458833800
19:55:57 <jamesn> Adam_Page: no suggestions but just called them out in the above comment
19:55:57 <jamesn> Adam_Page: would be happy to start a PR and offer some suggestions
19:55:58 <jongund> Got to go early today.
19:55:58 <jamesn> Adam_Page: will push a PR
19:55:59 <jamesn> topic: Issue 3373: "Read this first" uses client-side JavaScript
19:56:00 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
19:56:01 <jamesn> Matt_King: there is a path forward - if someone can read the issue and discern the path in terms of a PR - then that would be great
19:56:02 <jamesn> Matt_King: this is not near the top of my priority list - and Daniel is not here so don't know where it fits on w3c side
19:56:02 <jamesn> Jem: my concern about no Boucoup is many infra issues we'll have to deal with
19:56:02 <jamesn> Jem: need to think about how we will maintain these things
19:56:03 <jamesn> Matt_King: will add P2
19:56:03 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
19:56:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/02-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
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19:56:33 <Jem> https://www.w3.org/2025/12/02-aria-apg-minutes.html
19:57:04 <Jem> present+ Adam
19:57:15 <Jem> present+ Mck
19:57:20 <Jem> present+ curt
19:57:34 <Jem> present+ Arie
19:57:44 <Jem> present+ Joe
19:57:57 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
19:57:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/02-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
19:58:32 <Jem> Chair: Matt King
19:58:38 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
19:58:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/02-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
19:58:57 <Jem> present+ Jongund
19:59:10 <Jem> present+ Jamesn
19:59:24 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
19:59:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/02-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
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