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14:56:38 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
14:56:39 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:56:39 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/14-forms-minutes
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14:56:55 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Nov/0003
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15:05:39 <Steven> Topic: Sorting
15:05:39 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Nov/0002
15:05:49 <Steven> Steven: [Explains the method]
15:06:08 <Steven> Erik: One difference is that current binds don't move elements.
15:06:26 <Steven> ... the tree of binds would be the same, but there muight be a need to move nodes.
15:06:38 <Steven> ... I need time to think how it would work.
15:07:03 <Steven> Alain: Inside an instance and rendering are different situations.
15:07:57 <Steven> ... and an AVT for changing  the direction.
15:08:36 <Steven> ... I have implemented sort from XPath 3, though not the collations
15:09:07 <Steven> Steven: How further?
15:09:22 <Steven> s/muight/might/
15:10:33 <Steven> Steven: in the mail, there's a typo, it should be <bind sort="ordered-date">
15:10:39 <Steven> ... there's an extra =
15:11:00 <Steven> Erik: It is easy to check that sorting order matches what is specified.
15:11:17 <Steven> ... otherwise, you need to move elements
15:11:32 <Steven> ... you could imagine that the sort would not mutate the instance
15:12:35 <Steven> ... ... I'm looking for ways to implement it
15:12:45 <Steven> ... normally we use actions to mutate the instance
15:13:17 <Steven> ... I suspect it's not a big problem to mutate at recalculte time, I would need to try implementing it to see if it works.
15:13:41 <Steven> Steven: SO come back later?
15:13:44 <Steven> Eriok: Yes
15:13:49 <Steven> s/SO/So/
15:13:55 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:14:06 <Steven> Steven: Next meeting next week.
15:14:33 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:14:42 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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