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15:48:10 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pmwg-a11y
15:48:10 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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15:48:38 <AvneeshSingh> chair: AvneeshSingh
15:49:29 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Next steps for extended descriptions use case document.
15:49:57 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Other items which require attention of accessibility task force?
15:50:13 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
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16:04:33 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
16:04:33 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Next steps for extended descriptions use case document. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
16:05:12 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/wiki/Standardizing-Extended-Descriptions:-User-Stories,-Testing-Results,-and-Current-Limitations
16:05:31 <gpellegrino> q+
16:05:32 <AvneeshSingh> https://www.w3.org/TR/explainer-explainer/
16:06:07 <gpellegrino> q-
16:06:25 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: we had productive discussion with APA. They asked for an explainer. This is a link about what they call explainer. It is about defining the problem, testing existing solutions, explain why they do not work.  we should recomand solution.
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16:07:00 <gautierchomel_> gpellegrino: I feel it is about restructuring what we already have.  Let's try.
16:07:58 <gautierchomel_> gpellegrino: the proposal is similar to footnotes. The question is who have time to do this?
16:08:30 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: we propose a solution for everyone, not only assistive technology users, this is important.
16:09:15 <gautierchomel_> George: they noticed it is important for the web, so not aria dupb scope. At least that's not our first proposal.
16:09:26 <gautierchomel_> q+
16:10:57 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
16:13:05 <gautierchomel_> gautierchomel_: I would like to do this, as a way to appropriate this topic, I have been an observer ulitmately. I can do that next week. So we can discuss in the next meeting.
16:14:30 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
16:14:30 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Other items which require attention of accessibility task force? -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
16:14:35 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: I'll ask where the best we should push this document.
16:15:02 <gpellegrino> q+
16:15:07 <gautierchomel_> George: my big question is around fixed layout.
16:17:22 <gautierchomel_> gpellegrino: TPAC discussions were mostly about images in spine, we decided not to change anything. i.e. not allowing image in spine without fallback. That's a statut quo. Hadrien will propose a best practice document about using images in spine with fallback. The other point is to start work in pcg a11y tf about comic books accesisbility. really a research project.
16:21:41 <gautierchomel_> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/discussions/2829
16:24:39 <gautierchomel_> gautierchomel_: to me a big topic is about presenting reflow aside of fixed. I conceptualise that as parallele contents. Not sure where this standardisation belong, I would like to see it adressed by the accessibility task force.
16:30:28 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: for comics, we should discuss it in the publishing community group task force. We need to collect examples and start thinking about it.
16:31:30 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: we've eared about projects ongoing in scandinavia, france, japan, numerous done in relation with EDRLab.
16:34:11 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: about parallels contents, is it about SMIL?
16:34:29 <gpellegrino> q+
16:36:30 <gautierchomel_> gautierchomel_: I see it wider, being able to consume one content in two forms in parrallel, there is syncronisation, but it should allow any content, video, audio, text, other version of a text, fxl, reflow, etc. An example is the poc done by Daniel for Japan, available in Thorium, a parrallel reading of Sign language video and text with highlights at the idea level, not word.
16:37:14 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: SMIL is outdated anyway.
16:39:15 <gautierchomel_> gpellegrino: I see a need for fxl and reflow contents living aside. It is used by scholar publishers, but not standardised.
16:42:20 <gautierchomel_> gautierchomel_: yes, there is a reality.  there are many use cases, one can wich to switch at document level, ressource level, or consume both renditions side by side.
16:53:20 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
16:53:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/20-pmwg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
16:53:33 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
16:54:52 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
16:54:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, George, gpellegrino, gautierchomel_, mgarrish
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