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06:29:53 <breakout-bot> Meeting: State of Web Monetization
06:29:53 <breakout-bot> Chair: ioana-chiorean, Alex Lakatos, Sid Vishnoi
06:29:53 <breakout-bot> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/59
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08:02:05 <koalie> hi hi, someone muted the room
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08:06:23 <koalie> present+ Coralie
08:06:53 <sidvishnoi> present+
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08:07:07 <alakatos> q?
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08:07:30 <tomayac> Present+ Thomas_Steiner
08:07:48 <tomayac> RRSAgent, draft minutes
08:07:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/13-web-monetization-minutes.html tomayac
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08:09:05 <matatk> present+ Matthew_Atkinson
08:09:26 <koalie> present+ Ioana Chiorean
08:09:54 <tomayac> https://webmonetization.org/
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08:18:52 <ananya-ky> present+
08:19:47 <tomayac> https://webmonetization.org/play/
08:24:24 <alakatos> q?
08:42:17 <alakatos> q?
08:42:20 <rbyers> present+
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08:43:18 <rbyers> q+
08:43:19 <koalie> https://community.interledger.org/
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08:43:25 <alakatos> q?
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08:44:25 <koalie> present+ bkardell, David Benoit, duerst
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08:44:36 <ioana> thanks koalie
08:44:58 <sidvishnoi> Current home: https://github.com/wicg/webmonetization
08:45:11 <alakatos> q?
08:46:16 <bkardell> q-
08:46:33 <ioana> Slides https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YZo9QV7toxT_R1fOaJPSR9u4Q59O0p3z7UljQjxp6SE/edit?usp=sharing
08:47:31 <koalie> someone: how many publishers?
08:47:45 <koalie> alakatos: about a thousand so far
08:47:56 <benoit> s/someone/rbyers
08:47:56 <koalie> ... grant for the web
08:48:18 <koalie> ... smashingmag also
08:48:21 <ioana> new publishers onboarded through  respin of grat for the web
08:48:40 <ioana> pixelfeed, castapod, a new social,
08:49:15 <ioana> most of them till now - from the fediverse, but also magazines like smashingmag
08:49:21 <rbyers> https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/3119
08:49:39 <tomayac> q+
08:49:45 <rbyers> ack +
08:49:48 <rbyers> q-
08:49:58 <ioana> ack benoit
08:50:37 <ioana> initial talks at tpac raised concerns about privacy - tracking founding / founders - how is that in the current state
08:50:53 <ioana> the browser knows from where you pay to where you pay
08:51:03 <ioana> benoit - the browser also knows what pages you browse
08:51:38 <ioana> alex - the wallets know your details, they do the KYC, and we can not break that - we re not passing any data on how much content and which type you consume
08:52:00 <koalie> s/ - /: /G
08:52:23 <ioana> benoit - flip side - how do u see this as a possible avenue for money laundry, etc
08:52:23 <ioana> Alex - the same as tiktok / content consumption
08:52:46 <ioana> WM is only plumbing from moving money from a to b
08:53:05 <ioana> it is not going through - it is wallet to wallet / bank to bank
08:54:02 <duerst> q+ to ask about overhead (fees); keeping pages open for a long time but not actually reading them
08:54:12 <reillyg> q-
08:54:15 <alakatos> q?
08:54:48 <koalie> ioana: people trust more if it's in the browser, an extension
08:55:13 <bkardell> q+
08:55:24 <sidvishnoi> s/ an/ than
08:56:30 <alakatos> q?
08:56:58 <koalie> ack tom
08:57:02 <ioana> the extension requires more personalization - there will be a slimmer version of it probably forever
08:58:09 <ioana> tom: the extension requires more personalization - there will be a slimmer version of it probably forever. When an i use it with my regular bank?
08:59:15 <ioana> alex: good question - we both have EU accounts - banks - try sending me an 1 EUR. Tom: EU bank communicated. Alex: yes, but considering SEPA there are minumum amounts
08:59:32 <ioana> alex: we need banks to be interoperabile
09:01:28 <ioana> ledger in our name - aka Interledger Foundation is accounting ledger - not crypto
09:01:56 <ioana> ILF works with whole country's bank systems - Jordan as an example
09:03:13 <alakatos> q?
09:03:31 <ioana> ack duerst
09:03:31 <Zakim> duerst, you wanted to ask about overhead (fees); keeping pages open for a long time but not actually reading them
09:03:59 <alakatos> q?
09:06:55 <alakatos> q?
09:07:46 <koalie> ack bk
09:08:10 <ioana> thanks for the help koalie
09:08:18 <koalie> welcome!
09:09:29 <ioana> were there questions/ reactions before I joined IRC?
09:09:46 <koalie> none
09:11:04 <ioana> bkardell - question related the traditional way of payment for streaming
09:11:52 <alakatos> q?
09:11:54 <ioana> Alex
09:11:54 <ioana> Dees - user literacy come from two sides - do i drink the cool aid from my fav influencer. or i go to smashing mag and get education about this
09:12:17 <ioana> Benoit - a website would know if u are supporting it with wm
09:12:48 <ioana> so u can unblock different initiatives that are under paywall
09:15:03 <ioana> bkardell would love to understand the streaming better
09:15:14 <ioana> analogy used - drinking water with a tap
09:16:36 <ioana> bank statement atm include the milion of transation (different implementation)
09:17:06 <ioana> tomayac mentioning different educational situations - how people feel about it
09:19:06 <alakatos> q?
09:19:25 <koalie> what's a "publisher"?
09:19:51 <koalie> relative to "supporters" / "developers" (in the /tools section of webmonetization.org/tools )
09:20:02 <koalie> [session closes]
09:20:04 <sidvishnoi> publisher: anyone who can publish content to web
09:20:11 <koalie> thanks sidvishnoi
09:20:47 <koalie> RRSagent, make minutes
09:20:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/13-web-monetization-minutes.html koalie
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13:36:23 <tidoust> RRSAgent, bye
13:36:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items