04:29:00 RRSAgent has joined #tpac 04:29:04 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/11/12-tpac-irc 04:29:04 meeting: Advisory Committee & Community Session 04:29:04 takuan has joined #tpac 04:29:20 scribe+ 04:29:34 takuan has joined #tpac 04:29:49 zakim, prepare meeting 04:29:49 RRSAgent, make logs Public 04:29:51 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ejfraser 04:30:00 meeting: Advisory Committee & Community Session 04:30:02 takuan has joined #tpac 04:30:30 shiestyle has joined #tpac 04:30:37 npdoty has joined #tpac 04:30:47 scribe+ 04:30:53 present+ 04:30:54 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/eb2ae838-ab05-41ca-9c41-58e60b07c3cd/ 04:30:56 present+ Coralie 04:31:01 JohnRiv has joined #tpac 04:31:31 Seth: We have a lot to cover, as you can see 04:31:32 present+ 04:31:35 jkamata has joined #tpac 04:31:42 present+ 04:31:43 ...ty all for being here at TPAC in Kobe, always amazing to see the work underway 04:31:56 ...thank you all our sponsors 04:32:15 shiestyle has joined #tpac 04:32:23 mt_hates_irc has joined #tpac 04:32:29 GoDaddy, NTT Docomo, Microsoft, AWS, Igalia, Cisco 04:32:57 Seth: take a minute and remember Gregg Kellogg 04:33:25 ...everyone will remember him as a passionate person who motivated others. We opened a remembrance book at the registration desk, so please sign and share some thoughts if you have some 04:33:35 fajar has joined #tpac 04:33:37 present+ Bert Bos 04:33:38 ...François to talk about Strategy Initiative 04:33:40 CharlesL has joined #tpac 04:33:51 François: if you follow previews link in current Process, back to 1999 04:33:58 Topic: Introduction & Process 2025 04:33:58 present+ 04:34:06 slideset: https://www.w3.org/2025/Talks/TPAC/fd-ac-process/ 04:34:14 ...Now, Process 2025, you've probably heard about it 04:34:14 present+ fajar 04:34:15 is this like project 2025? 04:34:31 s/is this like project 2025?// 04:34:31 ...April 2025, call for review and published in August 04:35:03 ...proposed rec stage after AC review, now takes place at direct snapshot stage 04:35:19 ...simplification of the Process, that's the main change that the Process in 2025 brings 04:35:21 wendyreid has joined #tpac 04:35:24 Core1474 has joined #tpac 04:35:25 present+ 04:35:28 tzviya has joined #tpac 04:35:33 present+ 04:35:34 present+ 04:35:42 ...Character Refinement phase; formally "advance notice" review phase prior to AC review 04:35:54 ota has joined #tpac 04:35:56 ...Goal is to gather feedback as early as possible to avoid surprises too late 04:36:07 ...So we want to catch that ASAP 04:36:31 koalie has changed the topic to: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/eb2ae838-ab05-41ca-9c41-58e60b07c3cd/ 04:36:50 ...a few other changes: clarification, time-to-time are substantive changes, and we will ask part of the AC who took the time to vote on the initial Charter to look at the changes 04:36:53 erisu has joined #tpac 04:37:29 ...may have noticed some AB are in the room - prioritizing, updating, and redoing the Process in a way and coming to your WG this week having a number of discussions, plus a BO right after this on the Process to make it better for everyone 04:37:33 ...I will leave it to PLH 04:37:43 PLH: Hello everyone! 04:37:56 Topic: Technical Strategy Initiative Task force 04:37:59 ...I'm going to talk about how we navigate the future to keep moving forward 04:38:01 present+ 04:38:04 slideset: https://www.w3.org/2025/Talks/TPAC/technology-strategy/ 04:38:05 ...Web is constantly evolving 04:38:13 sarahj has joined #tpac 04:38:15 present+ 04:38:21 ...expanding more than ever, and changing and impacting society more widely 04:38:51 ...We need to have a consistent way to navigate those evolutions 04:39:05 ...this initiative is about how we decide, less about what we decide 04:39:09 ohmata has joined #tpac 04:39:15 angel has joined #TPAC 04:39:19 ...How we can actually get to that 04:40:05 ...By end of Q1 2026, provide guidance to W3C on how we address the changes and innovation, which innovation to ignore, and other issues people see that we need to investigate 04:40:19 ...W3C are not the only contributors to the Web 04:40:22 ...I went to the TAG and asked for help 04:40:24 present+ Tantek 04:40:38 I think as a standards community we did a surprisingly good job refraining from getting involved in "web3" 04:41:00 ...I got a few of them to participate, please contact people on these slides on things to do 04:41:15 PLH: criteria for new technology: first, within our scope 04:41:41 ...How much of the global impact do you expect to have? If you're only going to affect your own country, it's a lot less likely we are going to be interested in looking at it 04:41:58 ...How much community involvement do you have? 04:42:09 ...How much does this align with our vision and principles? 04:42:42 ...That's what we can use structurally to make decisions 04:42:49 gendler has joined #tpac 04:42:54 ...Been seeing a lot of @@ 04:43:02 ...One other consideration is the ability to make changes to ideas proposed 04:43:18 ...You have to work w the community as a whole and change your idea 04:43:42 "change control" -- do we use that phrase explicitly in W3C groups? IETF is insistent on mentioning it. 04:43:46 ...Are we impacting society? TAG last week sent draft of societal impact consideration, which I see helping us make a decision on whether to work on something or not 04:44:04 present+ 04:44:04 PLH: We do have current mechanisms 04:44:19 ...Strategy for more than 10 years, we want people to come to us with ideas and foster them 04:44:28 ...We favor early exploration, we don't exclude any ideas 04:44:40 naomi has joined #tpac 04:44:43 ...If you come to me, I'll likely say for you to take it to a CG and ask what they think\ 04:45:04 ...CG have been a major pillar of us being able to allow the community to work together 04:45:37 ...Another way we have is workshops; this year we organized two workshops, one virtual and one last month on Age-Based Restrictions on Content Access 04:45:47 ktoumura has joined #tpac 04:45:48 ...also one coming up on Smart Voice Agents in 2026 04:45:52 present+ 04:46:00 ...creating IG for quite a long time - one on media and entertainment that has been quite active 04:46:08 ...proposal to create a Web and AI IG as well 04:46:35 ...What you do not see at the bottom of the slide - Friday 2 pm Exploration IG meeting 04:47:01 ...François already talked about Charter Refinement - if you click on these links, you will find the answer on how to navigate those things 04:47:17 ...We need your input - what would you expect to see in Technological Strategy Report? 04:47:24 ...What do we want to see and why? 04:47:26 Dingwei has joined #tpac 04:47:42 ...How do we evaluate new technologies? If we are lacking principles, which ones? And how do we prioritize? 04:47:54 ...Doing a BO tomorrow at 5 pm on Navigating the Future 04:48:12 ...Timeline: hoping a draft report in front of the Community by January and March 04:48:15 ...Ty 04:48:21 Seth: ty François and PLH 04:48:30 We have Exploration IG for exploring new ideas too... 04:48:31 Topic: Update from October Age-restriction Workshop 04:48:32 ...Tara talking about Oct 8 Age-Restriction Workshop 04:48:39 slideset: https://www.w3.org/2025/Talks/TPAC/tw-age-workshop/ 04:48:45 present+ 04:48:45 Tara: my pleasure to give you all an update on our recent workshop 04:48:54 ...May come as no surprise why we wanted to have a workshop 04:49:12 Siyaman has joined #tpac 04:49:14 ...lots of jurisdictions putting our lots of regulations on age-based restrictions on online content 04:49:26 ...impact of technical architectures and users 04:49:42 ...moving fast; so our question, what can we do in technical standards to help this situation? 04:50:05 ...IAB on IETF side and W3C convened a workshop, joined forces to tackle the architectural problems of the space 04:50:23 ...Did not expect a solution, but we did mostly have the goal of a better understanding of the space and a collaborative conversation 04:50:37 ...Everyone introduced, hard questions 04:50:50 ...Started with guiding principles around human rights and the internet and web architecture 04:50:50 igarashi has joined #tpac 04:51:00 ...Ethical Web Principles and Privacy Principles were used 04:51:05 present+ 04:51:14 ...Trying to uphold freedom of expression, defragmentation online 04:51:29 ...Different players of people verifying age and upholding policies have different roles to play 04:51:45 ...Looked at verification around server-side solutions, like a government digital identity system 04:51:53 tantek has joined #tpac 04:51:57 ...Age-estimation or inference, maybe biometrics making an age judgement on your face 04:52:09 ...or maybe network-filtering or on the device to step in as a part of the enforcement process 04:52:14 ...lots of very thoughtful comments 04:52:25 ...2.5 day workshop Oct 7-9 in London UK 04:52:31 vivien has joined #tpac 04:52:42 ...36 attendees plus 3 TAG and IAB observers 04:52:48 nigel has joined #tpac 04:52:53 ...had government from a few different countries, civil society, and academic researchers 04:53:05 ...9 presentations and 20 papers accepted and publicized 04:53:25 ...In discussion, Chatham house rules 04:53:38 ...Observations - recognition that coordination among the different groups has been very difficult 04:53:43 takuan_ has joined #tpac 04:53:53 ...A lot of different people with different priorities, requirements, backgrounds 04:54:03 ...Participants were very eager to have more discussion and ability to collaborate 04:54:06 takuan_ has joined #tpac 04:54:18 ...All really liked being in the same space working with ppl with different perspectives 04:54:23 ...Found very valuable 04:54:32 takuan_ has joined #tpac 04:54:50 ...Took a technical perspective bc that was our area and focus, but the goal of this was to help children's ability to be safe online 04:54:58 ...Going to involve a lot more people than just technical solutions 04:55:16 ...Helpful or important takeaways - people did appreciate the discussion of different "roles" in enforcement 04:55:23 ...Different flows of information and chokepoints 04:55:28 ...Clear architectural diagrams 04:55:56 ...People also liked hearing about limitations - technologies may not yet be ready to be relied upon 04:56:06 ...User research, people appreciated 04:56:17 ...Really wanted to share vocabulary for commonality in terms 04:56:23 ...Next steps: Workshop Report by hopefully end of year 04:56:34 ...We think strengthening relationships with policymakers 04:56:43 ...Right venue for collaboration 04:56:57 ...Immediate next step - BO right after this session on this topic in room 402 04:57:16 ...Please contact me at any time to talk about any of this. I will hand it over to Shawn and Kevin 04:57:21 Topic: Accessibility Updates 04:57:25 Kevin: Handing to Shawn 04:57:39 Shawn: I'm here to speak about accessibility in W3C 04:57:51 -> https://customer-0kix77mxh2zzzae0.cloudflarestream.com/84bea4a3701ca106352aca039dbc7dd6/watch video of Shawn Lawton Henry 04:58:04 ...WCAG: ISO/EIC 40500, particularly important because now countries can adopt 2.2 as ISO standard 04:58:14 ...also working with EN 301 549, which has global impact 04:58:35 ...been upaded for WCAG 2.2, working on coordination for update on WCAG2ICT which talks about applying to documents/non-software 04:58:42 ...standardizing in global regions 04:59:02 ...Important to know that accessibility standards play an important role, but the role of accessibility is not to meet the standards, but meet the standards of users with disabilities 04:59:16 ...provide guidance and resources to provide a user approach to accessibility 04:59:21 Lei_Zhao has joined #tpac 04:59:29 ...Course available through March 2026, but new courses in 2026 04:59:46 ...Accessibility fundamentals - not just for websites and apps, but also documents and presentations 04:59:52 ...Unique courses on specific topics 05:00:18 ...Continue work on translating accessibility resources - currently 30 W3C Authorized Translations, over 150 resource translations 05:00:25 ...updating translations policies and procedures in 2026 05:00:36 ...We always welcome your help with translations and reviewing 05:00:54 ...Updating ATAG, work currently being incubated in ATAG CG 05:01:09 ...Also looking at coordinating on accessibility testing - support and interoperability of assistant technology 05:01:22 ...wanted to work on coming together to document that well so it will 1. encourage improvaements and 2. provide information 05:01:38 ...another aspect of accessibility testing coordination are @@ 05:01:45 shiestyle has joined #tpac 05:01:56 ...Lots of CGs feeding great work into WGs that provide great resources on the W3C website, such as ARRM 05:02:02 ...help orgs implement accessibility 05:02:17 ...let Kevin speak on WG and end on ways you can contribute to accessibility in W3C 05:02:19 Slideset: https://www.w3.org/2025/Talks/TPAC/ac-wai-update/ 05:02:30 Kevin: Quick overview of the work we've been doing in the last 12 months 05:02:44 ...4 key groups: AG WG, responsible for main standards on WCAG 05:03:01 ...ARIA WG, who are responsible for extensions on HTML 05:03:17 ...APA WG, primary responsibility is write about accessibility horizontal review 05:03:22 ...look at weird and wonderful technologies 05:03:47 ...WAI IG, extended group of community with a mailing list and lots of support for understanding resources and reviewing sources 05:03:59 ...Highlighted publications from this year: updates on WCAG 3 twice 05:04:14 ...ACT Rules Format 1.1 to CR, hopefully out later in the year 05:04:30 ...WCAG2ICT, guidelines that explain how WCAG might apply in ways of non-technology spaces 05:04:41 ...Lots of architectural work in the background 05:04:49 ...WCAG 2 in JSON format 05:04:54 ...hearing input from people who are already using that data 05:05:08 ...final publication, Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements 05:05:11 ...number of those documents 05:05:34 ...backlog TF managed the vast number of issues against WCAG2 and cleared 500 05:05:40 Igarashi has joined #tpac 05:05:52 ...we've also had massive improvements in WCAG ⅔ build process 05:06:09 ...Also allowed us to get more consistency across platforms, one of those being the WCAG QuickRef 05:06:13 ...subtle improvements to 05:06:27 ...Also had improvements to test successfully mappings under the WPT infrastructure 05:06:34 ...Get consistency across and development there 05:06:43 ...Extensive accessibility horizontal reviews and continue to do so 05:06:59 Kevin: future work: WCAG 3 draft scheduled for publication in late 2025 or early 2026 05:07:07 ...also looking at AG WG set for recharter 05:07:24 ...Hopefully out early 2026, also planning for 2028 WCAG 3 Charter review 05:07:41 ...Developing another number of specs, such as accessibility of machine learning and AI 05:07:49 ...always keen for people to contribute in very different ways 05:08:01 ..."What We're Working On", ensure that's as UTD as possible 05:08:20 ..."WCAG 3 Editor's Draft" - number of notes asking for additional research 05:08:29 ...if anyone feels like going in and filling up those gaps, we'd really appreciate it 05:08:45 ...also looking for sponsors - W3C Principles Champion is an opportunity for visibility of your support 05:08:46 ...thank you 05:08:57 Seth: Ty Tara, Shawn, and Kevin. We'll wrap up with two more groups 05:09:02 Topic: Internationalization 05:09:11 slideset: https://www.w3.org/2025/Talks/TPAC/xfq-i18n/ 05:09:19 sarahj has joined #tpac 05:09:21 Fuqiao: good afternoon, today we are here to mark the significant moment of W3C's internationalization work 05:09:38 ...want to honor pillar of W3C community, stepping down after more than two decades of service 05:10:04 ...Addison Phillips 05:10:33 ...for more than two decades, Addison has been creating a Web that works for everyone, regardless of their language, script, or culture 05:10:38 hirata has joined #tpac 05:10:39 ...requires a passionate advocate 05:11:17 ...Addison has been that chamption - as Chair of the Internationalization WG, made sure that these are woven into the very fabric of our standards 05:11:24 ...at 2005, Web was vastly different place 05:11:48 ...Through all the shifts in our industry over the past two decades, Addison has been a constant steady hand at the helm of internationalization 05:11:57 ...Possibly the longest-standing Chair of any WG in W3C history 05:12:38 ...his contributions go far beyond his role as Chair - he was the key contributor and co-author to the foundational standards 05:12:42 ...Has had a lot of impact 05:12:54 ...document guides all of us on how to think about internationalization from day 1 05:13:02 ...his fingerprints are on the very process of how we create standards 05:13:36 ...i18n is three pillars: language enablement, developer support about reviewing specifications and documenting best practices + special projects on specific topics 05:13:39 plh has joined #tpac 05:13:41 ...we have a lot of educaational resources 05:13:46 ...techniques for web devs 05:14:07 ...share a few recent updates: we maintain a type samples repo to help develop and undertsand intricacies 05:14:40 ...solving complex layout challenges, like Chinese multi-level counters, which is critical to high quality reading experience 05:14:43 ...for @@ users 05:15:04 ...ensuring constant testing - this year, adding test for new scripts, like Chinese and Tibetan 05:15:24 ...published new articles, translation to reach a wider audience, more videos to our YT channel 05:15:31 ...internationalization is a continuous and collaborative effort 05:15:48 ...with new APIs and CSS features and paradigms, new internationalization challenges emerge alongside them 05:16:04 ...it is a shared responsibility for everyone in this room building the future of the web 05:16:35 ...many ways to contribute: help us review standards, we need web devs and browser implementors and spec editors who can help us analyze new specs from a global perspective 05:16:45 ...you can contribute to our resources if you don't have time to join our weekly meetings 05:16:58 ...help translate to your native language or submit a test case we should care about 05:17:21 ...We extend our deepest gratitude to Addison Phillips and offer our support for Joel Sahleen as the new Chair as he leads us into this new chapter 05:17:31 ...Thank you, I will hand over to Roy 05:17:34 Roy: Finally, AI 05:17:41 Topic: Web & AI in W3C 05:17:47 slideset: https://www.w3.org/People/Roy/Talks/TPAC-2025/Web-AI/ 05:17:52 takuan has joined #tpac 05:18:02 Roy: Dom and I started work on AI months ago on W3C Team 05:18:10 ...I will have a short briefing on how W3C is engaging AI 05:18:15 ...look at why AI matters for the Web 05:18:23 ...AI-related works at W3C, and future 05:18:38 ...Why AI matters for the Web, it supports global economics 05:18:52 ...to us, the most important thing is AI technologies embedding themselves into the Web ecosystem 05:19:16 ...W3C as an org for the Web - when and how should AI systems align with the Web architecture? 05:19:26 ...What standards do we need to enable AI systems on the Web? 05:19:41 ...More questions I can't answer right now, but all of the W3C community is collaborating on these questions 05:19:55 ...AI in W3C 05:20:15 ...AI in Web Platform, Data & Semantics, Web and Agents, and AI/Agent @@ 05:20:32 ...Work for decades, like RDF, JSON-LD 05:20:35 s/Agent @@/Agent Protocol/ 05:21:14 ...some multi-agent systems and AI protocl already have a lot of discusison in W3C CG 05:21:38 Roy: make sure AI on the Web is responsible 05:21:49 ...W3C from horiztonal contributions shapes the impact of AI 05:22:00 ...TAG working on the Web User Agents 05:22:09 ...on W3C Team, Dominique reports 05:22:16 mt_hates_irc has left #TPAC 05:22:26 ...a lot of related discussion happens in Security and Privacy and also Accessibility groups 05:22:39 ...We lack a place to talk about AI in purpose 05:22:46 ...Where can we answer those questions? 05:22:59 ...Set up an IG called "Web & AI IG" 05:23:09 ...most of you have received the review request, please review this Charter 05:23:34 ...IG to provide forum to discuss how emerging AI-related technologies are impacting the Web and the benefits for the Web user 05:23:50 ...host workshop in near future, still in discussion and if you want to have any comments, please go to the GitHub issue 05:24:01 ...Workshop focused on AI Agents and Web browsers 05:24:19 ...to wrap up, we welcome collaboration on the Web and AI because it's really important to the Web 05:24:23 ...several ways to engage 05:24:47 ...Web-AI IG, way to look at it holistically, lots of WG you can join to contribute technical insight 05:25:00 ...you are welcome to join the discussion in the upcoming workshop 05:25:11 takuan has joined #tpac 05:25:11 ...AI agent in Web conversation, welcome to join Dom and I there 05:25:18 ...thank you! 05:25:24 q? 05:25:32 topic: Q&A 05:25:35 Seth: Thank you Fuqiao and Roy, great to see what's going on in the Team 05:25:46 ...if you are attending remotely, we are watching IRC as well for Q&A 05:25:57 q? 05:26:01 ...several speakers have follow-up sessions on this later in the week, and you can find them in the hallways as well 05:26:08 ...I will continue to move things along while waiting 05:26:34 ...you can submit for interest topic tables at lunch tomorrow, opp to gather at lunchtime to help pull together with other people on things you all find interesting 05:26:41 ...I'll start giving a lot of thank you's 05:26:52 ...all the planning and execution is a huge effort and I want to thank as many of them as I can 05:27:19 ...All the Team, speakers, scribes, Chairs, all the things that actually get done thank you all 05:27:45 ...Yuta and the local team, Jean-Charles for his photography, Elena for the Hackathon, big thank you to Alex because without her none of this would be happening 05:27:51 ...Alex doesn't rest until the end of the week 05:27:54 [applause] 05:28:11 ...big thank you to all of you - none of this happens without you or your organizations, all of the impact on the world and everything 05:28:19 ...personal thanks to all of you for being part of the community 05:28:26 q? 05:28:33 ...If you don't want to be in the group photo, you may leave the room 05:29:07 zakim, end meeting 05:29:07 As of this point the attendees have been npdoty, Coralie, amy, JohnRiv, Bert, Bos, CharlesL, fajar, wendyreid, tzviya, Core, kzms, erisu, Tantek, Jem, naomi, Dingwei, igarashi 05:29:10 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 05:29:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/12-tpac-minutes.html Zakim 05:29:18 I am happy to have been of service, ejfraser; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. 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