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01:51:09 <breakout-bot> Meeting: Introducing the Cybernetic Avatar Community Group: Extending Human Presence through the Internet
01:51:09 <breakout-bot> Chair: Daiya Kato, masaaqi
01:51:09 <breakout-bot> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/49
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02:22:45 <naomi> sato: Mooshot project
02:23:11 <naomi> ... it sets goals to attack the prople and promotes challenging
02:23:19 <naomi> ... aiming of resolving difficult social issues
02:23:36 <naomi> .. bring together the wsdom of researchers from all over the world, not only Japan
02:23:54 <naomi> ... it's a realization of a society in which human beings
02:24:01 <naomi> ... can be free from limitation of boy, brain, space and time
02:24:07 <naomi> ... by 2050
02:24:31 <naomi> .... enabling the circulation, sharing, and expansion of experience
02:24:39 <naomi> .. skills for more diverse and rich lives
02:24:48 <naomi> ... CA life by casting from our vision
02:25:16 <naomi> ... anyone willing to augument their physical and perceptional capabilities to the top level and spread of new life
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02:25:53 <naomi> ... our vision is towards an era where people can excel beyond physical space
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02:26:33 <naomi> @1@: metaverse type?
02:26:33 <naomi> sato: yes
02:27:36 <naomi> [sato is howing a video]
02:28:49 <takuan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0NjMfUod10
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02:30:07 <Fazio> This has some interesting valid use cases but is also dangerous in the sense that the robots are used to replace the physical presence of a person with a disability
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02:38:15 <naomi> sato: we have been talking to WebRTC group
02:39:14 <daiya> Fazio, We believe it is essential to value and respect each individual’s will to participate in society or to reintegrate into it. Therefore, we treat privacy and the authenticity of one’s actions as particularly important and fundamental issues in our research.
02:39:37 <naomi> [page 4]
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02:39:52 <naomi> sato: Okinawa to Tokyo is about 1500 km
02:40:03 <naomi> ... latency is less than 1.5 sec
02:40:09 <naomi> [page 6]
02:40:21 <naomi> sato: this is why we want to have this project
02:40:41 <naomi> ... using existing lines
02:40:52 <naomi> ... we adopt emerging technologies
02:41:20 <naomi> ... physical delays can't be reduced
02:41:33 <naomi> ... we want to deply this system to the society as a global platform
02:42:08 <naomi> ... is there anything beyond the web?
02:42:52 <naomi> ... web is the best thing
02:42:52 <naomi> ... that's why we are here for this project
02:42:52 <naomi> ... future vision: Beyond the Maneuverability
02:43:05 <naomi> ... enabling action is autonomy
02:43:10 <naomi> ... assisting remote operations and actions
02:43:27 <naomi> ... gaining experience couldn't been happened thru @1
02:43:45 <naomi> ... integration CA into other platform such as robot arm, we'll seek a killer apps
02:44:09 <naomi> ... discussion on how to collaborate to collaborate with AI between human
02:44:10 <naomi> [page 18]
02:44:26 <naomi> sato: let's talk about integration of CA and the web
02:44:52 <naomi> ... CA and human as a supporting communications
02:45:13 <naomi> ... to begin with, discuss how the concept of the CA could relate to existing or future web standards
02:45:34 <naomi> ... how W3C community might help define its role within the broader Internet ecosystem
02:46:07 <naomi> ... consider how human embodiment, communication, and agency may evolve through connected systems and how open, ethical and inclusive frameworks could support this transformation
02:46:36 <naomi> @1@: interesting, but warning from me
02:46:42 <naomi> ... this could be interpreted in a wrong way
02:46:55 <naomi> ... it might keep people in a bed room
02:47:02 <naomi> ... having interaction thru robot
02:47:09 <naomi> ... there is no replacement
02:47:21 <naomi> ... bandwidth?
02:48:09 <naomi> ... hacking?
02:48:09 <naomi> ... we shouldn't be taking people from an environment
02:48:12 <naomi> ... but this is wonderful project
02:48:27 <naomi> ... for example, a robot hugs you, how people feel it?
02:48:49 <naomi> ... feedback is needed
02:48:49 <tzviya> s/hacking?/for example Stephen Hawking
02:49:12 <naomi> kato: haptics is important
02:49:18 <naomi> ... we consider about risks
02:49:32 <naomi> ... and threats
02:50:00 <naomi> @1@: it will be ok having robot in a life
02:50:08 <naomi> kato: ethic is another issue
02:50:18 <naomi> ... we haven't solve that idea
02:50:27 <tzviya> s/@1@/David_Fazio
02:50:39 <naomi> @1@: are you collaborating with people with ethics?
02:50:48 <naomi> sato: yes
02:50:57 <naomi> @2@: do you care about people such as low vision?
02:51:15 <tzviya> s/do you care about/have you explored
02:51:30 <naomi> kato: not yet. we are now working for physical and psychological part
02:51:57 <naomi> [sato showing video about hugging and how human feels thru robot]
02:52:31 <naomi> sato: he performed at Tokyo Olympics thru Orihime
02:52:40 <naomi> kato: as well as Japanese Expo in Osaka
02:53:02 <naomi> kato: he is using brain interface
02:53:20 <naomi> s/interface/machine interface/
02:53:27 <takuan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR5dxd_H6E8
02:53:50 <naomi> ... grabbing is very difficult for now though
02:54:04 <naomi> Elena: latency?
02:54:22 <naomi> ... imagining use cases for grabbing apple is ok but others?
02:54:44 <naomi> sato: we are discussing it. less than 100 milisecond
02:54:58 <naomi> ... including glass to glass
02:55:14 <naomi> Elena: eye predict?
02:55:14 <naomi> sato: yes
02:55:31 <naomi> ... for now, less than 30 secs thru glass to glass delay
02:56:25 <naomi> sato: this is a starting point for discussion
02:56:59 <naomi> osamu: based on the web or special apps?
02:57:00 <naomi> sato: some tech will be thru WebRTC
02:57:00 <naomi> kato: Orihime is using WebRTC
02:57:05 <naomi> ... and others will be using different technology
02:57:21 <naomi> ... because robot engineering select right now
02:57:34 <naomi> sato: we want to promote the web technologies on the Internet
02:57:42 <naomi> ... web is a gateway for engineers
02:57:50 <naomi> Hirata: joining WebRTC WG?
02:58:03 <naomi> sato: assuming so
02:58:10 <naomi> Hirata: great idea. I always think where is the platform for IT
02:58:16 <naomi> ... for social activities
02:58:47 <naomi> ... WebRTC only?
02:58:57 <naomi> sato: WoT would also be the place to discuss
02:59:27 <naomi> ... we need to consider about authentication, security, ecosystem, etc
02:59:45 <naomi> ... we will talk to WGs
02:59:52 <naomi> ... now we are collecting use cases
03:00:20 <naomi> ... Muto-san's case is edge one
03:00:39 <naomi> ... communication robot will be the first one
03:00:55 <naomi> @3@: do you have an interaction designer?
03:01:05 <naomi> sato: yes, and communication designer will be needed as well
03:01:07 <tzviya> s/@3@/Chiara
03:01:37 <naomi> kato: 30% engineer and we need to have academia and expert for ethical and law
03:01:49 <naomi> ... plus robot engineer
03:02:25 <naomi> @1@: lots of classes for robotics. I don't think any robot apps for child
03:03:14 <tzviya> s/@1@: lots of classes for robotics./David: I work with European robotics in the classroom.
03:03:25 <naomi> @3@: we are from Australia. it's nice system for children don't talk
03:04:00 <naomi> ... we should get a new system
03:04:02 <tzviya> s/@3@/Chiara
03:04:15 <naomi> ... Australia first import and modify and edit
03:04:23 <naomi> sato: external Japanese robot is kawaii
03:05:00 <naomi> ... we are also talking how to provide this for educational environment
03:05:14 <naomi> @1@: very interesting. look forward to the updates
03:05:22 <naomi> Elena: what's the next big thing? release?
03:06:04 <naomi> sato: we will gather use cases between CA and the web
03:07:03 <naomi> @4@: if CA tech applies to the society in medical settings like rehabilitation
03:07:13 <naomi> sato: in the discussion
03:07:42 <naomi> @4@: any tools is ok
03:08:42 <naomi> kato: please join the CG
03:08:52 <naomi> https://www.w3.org/community/cacg/
03:09:02 <naomi> sato: and share us use cases
03:09:24 <naomi> @1@: you should apply to Zero-project
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03:19:11 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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04:54:42 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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04:56:10 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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04:57:21 <naomi> s/@2@/Neha/
04:57:32 <naomi> s/@3@/chiara/
04:57:43 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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05:00:26 <naomi> present+ Hiromu_Ogawa, Lucerio_Macedo, David_Fazio, Shubham_Gubta, Yumi_Dobashi
05:00:47 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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05:02:33 <naomi> s/@1@/Lucerio/
05:03:04 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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05:04:49 <naomi> s/@1@/Lucerio/
05:04:56 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
05:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/12-cacg-minutes.html naomi
05:05:34 <naomi> s/@1@: metaverse type?/Lucerio: metaverse type?/
05:06:00 <naomi> s/@1@: interesting, but warning from me/Lucerio: interesting, but warning from me/
05:06:21 <naomi> s/@1@: are you collaborating with people with ethics?/Lucerio: are you collaborating with people with ethics?/
05:06:36 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
05:06:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/12-cacg-minutes.html naomi
05:07:15 <naomi> s/@4@/Yumi_Dobashi/
05:07:44 <naomi> s/@4@: if CA tech applies/Yumi_Dobashi: if CA tech applies/
05:07:54 <naomi> rrsagent, please draft minutes
05:07:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/12-cacg-minutes.html naomi
05:09:30 <naomi> rrsagent, bye
05:09:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items