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12:06:32 <SimonW> nicholascar Has been chipping away at tasks. See status for Core review. ticked off some items. provacy & security yet to do.
12:06:46 <TallTed> present+ TallTed, edmond, Livio, AndyS, DavidHabgood, Robert, SimonW, elianaP
12:06:50 <TallTed> scribe: SimonW
12:07:00 <TallTed> chair: nicholascar
12:07:14 <SimonW> nicholascar comments: Mainly process comments. No substantial comments.
12:07:18 <TallTed> meeting: Data Shapes WG
12:07:30 <SimonW> nicholascar Some groups say finishing by end of year will be tough
12:07:30 <TallTed> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/blob/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-11-10.md
12:07:32 <agendabot> clear agenda
12:07:32 <agendabot> agenda+ Phase 1 deliverables
12:07:32 <agendabot> agenda+ Task Force reports
12:07:32 <agendabot> agenda+ General Business
12:08:48 <TallTed> s/chair: nicholascar/chair: elianaP/
12:09:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:09:40 <SimonW> nicholascar Profiles update: Prfolies of SHACL, invites others to add to potential profiles of SHACL
12:09:47 <TallTed> present+ bergos, mgberg, Livio
12:10:04 <bergos> q+
12:10:26 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/03-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:10:26 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/17-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:10:53 <SimonW> nicholascar dependency hierarchy, some questions need answering from other groups, then take advice and discuss.
12:10:55 <elianaP> q?
12:11:48 <TallTed> present+ Matt, bergos
12:12:22 <SimonW> nicholascar How are profile generators semantically classified?
12:13:04 <TallTed> s/nicholascar Has been/nicholascar: Has been/
12:13:04 <TallTed> s/nicholascar comments:/nicholascar: comments:/
12:13:04 <TallTed> s/nicholascar Some/nicholascar: Some/
12:13:25 <SimonW> bergos Is it for the group to create other profiles? Docs for outsiders?
12:13:32 <TallTed> s/nicholascar How/nicholascar: How/
12:13:33 <TallTed> s/nicholascar dependency/nicholascar: dependency/
12:13:39 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:13:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:14:11 <TallTed> s/nicholascar Profiles/nicholascar: Profiles/
12:14:11 <TallTed> s/bergos Is it/bergos: Is it/
12:14:20 <SimonW> nicholascar We will have a repo with our work and community work.
12:14:49 <TallTed> s/nicholascar We/nicholascar: We/
12:14:57 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mminutes', TallTed.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
12:15:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:16:13 <TallTed> s/provacy/privacy/
12:16:16 <nicholascar> The place to put community SHACL resources: https://github.com/w3c/shacl-resources/
12:16:28 <SimonW> nicholascar:  Guidance will be provided. Link to repo provided above
12:16:30 <elianaP> q?
12:16:32 <bergos> ack me
12:16:36 <TallTed> s/Prfolies/Profiles/
12:16:49 <SimonW> elianaP: SHACL UI?
12:17:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:18:00 <AndyS> Rules content - https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/discussions/637
12:18:06 <SimonW> elianaP: Things are moving forward - good to see - with SHACL UI
12:18:16 <TallTed> present+ Ognjen
12:18:32 <SimonW> AndyS: Link posted above. Discussions with Profiles starting up.
12:18:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:19:00 <Livio> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/643
12:19:27 <caribou> present+
12:19:28 <TallTed> present+ caribou
12:19:55 <AndyS> q+
12:19:59 <SimonW> Livio: some overlapping Rules & Profiling. We should discuss how to cluster or bundle shapes and data. Commenting should happen in issues.
12:20:19 <AndyS> q-
12:20:22 <SimonW> AndyS: The packaging is related to Profiles. No ordering
12:20:42 <nicholascar> q+
12:21:04 <SimonW> AndyS: Rules begins at "here's a rule set and base data. execute rule". Things around that are application dependant.
12:21:31 <SimonW> nicholascar: We don't have a section on ordering and sequencing. Maybe we should?
12:21:48 <TallTed> present+ nicholascar
12:22:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:22:16 <SimonW> nicholascar: Use cases for ordering and sequencing?
12:22:32 <elianaP> q?
12:22:39 <elianaP> ack nicholascar
12:23:21 <SimonW> elianaP: no update on Compact Syntax
12:23:53 <nicholascar> q+
12:24:27 <SimonW> elianaP: Call on consensus on publication of 1st draft. Profiling doc ready?
12:24:47 <SimonW> nicholascar: Not yet. Few weeks off - maybe less
12:24:47 <nicholascar> ack me
12:24:54 <nicholascar> q?
12:25:13 <caribou> q+
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12:25:34 <SimonW> AndyS: Ready to publish Rules doc. Issues can be noted earlier rather than later.
12:25:54 <SimonW> nicholascar: if it's easier to do several at one go then Profiling can be ready
12:26:20 <SimonW> nicholascar: Maybe proposals for new sections included
12:26:37 <SimonW> caribou: yes we can publish half empty doc.
12:26:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:28:14 <SimonW> caribou: Publishing early might be better. We can publish as soon as something is close enough to ready.
12:28:33 <SimonW> elianaP: How does UI feel about publishing first draft
12:29:03 <SimonW> bergos: Need better structure. Better to wait.
12:29:20 <SimonW> bergos: maybe in 4 weeks
12:29:33 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Data Shapes WG -- 2025-11-10 agenda: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/blob/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-11-10.md
12:29:57 <SimonW> elianaP: Only RULES is enthusiastic about publishing ? let's take vote in a few weeks for others
12:30:16 <elianaP> q?
12:30:24 <caribou> ack cari
12:30:24 <SimonW> elianaP: Any other points?
12:30:48 <SimonW> elianaP: No other points. Thanks for attending.
12:31:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-data-shapes-minutes.html elianaP
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13:02:48 <simonstey> when's our meeting today?
13:03:09 <caribou> 1 hr ago
13:03:44 <simonstey> ??
13:04:41 <simonstey> I still have the 2pm one in my calendar :( (https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/74ab19e3-e559-4201-96ce-b1e6b89f64bf/ also only has a broken link)
13:05:11 <simonstey> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/08cd9d11-c1eb-44dc-b10b-783586cdc31a/20251110T130000/ whoops
13:06:07 <simonstey> stupid timezones
13:06:26 <labra> Today I was planning to join but it seems I also missed the exact time...anyway, I was looking for the link to the zoom, and I can't find it, where is it? I am asking for the next meeting, not this one :)
13:18:07 <caribou> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/data-shapes/calendar
13:21:31 <labra> Thanks, I found it now :)