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07:38:30 <tidoust> Meeting: Stronger Together: Super-charging Agentic AI with Accessibility Destinations
07:38:30 <tidoust> Chair: Janina Sajka
07:38:30 <tidoust> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/62
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07:38:30 <tidoust> Zakim, clear agenda
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07:38:30 <tidoust> Zakim, agenda+ Reminders: code of conduct, health policies, recorded session policy
07:38:30 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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07:38:30 <tidoust> Zakim, agenda+ Goal of this session
07:38:30 <tidoust> Zakim, agenda+ Discussion
07:38:30 <tidoust> Zakim, agenda+ Next steps / where discussion continues
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07:38:31 <tidoust> Zakim, agenda+ Adjourn / Use IRC command: Zakim, end meeting
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07:57:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
07:57:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
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08:04:07 <Neha> Janina: Introduced about agenda
08:04:19 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: Going through presentation
08:04:30 <Neha> Abhinav is sharing presentation
08:05:38 <Neha> Lionel: How Agentic AI is seen
08:07:32 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: Statement - Compare accessibility statements across 50 partner websites
08:08:02 <Neha> Abhinav: Explaining the steps
08:08:15 <Neha> present+ Janina
08:08:25 <Neha> present+ Abhinav
08:08:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
08:09:13 <Neha> Abhinav: How agent will work on this example
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08:16:44 <Neha> Floor is open for discussion
08:16:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up item 4
08:16:48 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Discussion -- taken up [from tidoust]
08:16:50 <Neha> q?
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08:17:18 <goto> q+
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08:17:48 <Neha> ack goto
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08:18:21 <Neha> goto: Login aspect
08:18:25 <Neha> q?
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08:19:13 <Mark_Foltz> q+
08:19:21 <chiace> Present+
08:20:19 <Neha> Abhinav: Discover -> Navigate -> Fetch
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08:20:46 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: We will be approaching this with layers
08:21:31 <Neha> q?
08:21:59 <Neha> q+ David
08:22:17 <Neha> ack Mark_Foltz
08:22:48 <ErikAnderson> q+
08:23:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mark_Foltz: How do we ensure that the discoverable destinations list remains accurate
08:24:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The Discoverable Desintaions metadata could be generated and corrected by a site-side bot
08:25:29 <Neha> Mark_Foltz: Should be thought from scalability perspective
08:26:35 <Neha> Janina: Explore maintenance side
08:26:40 <Neha> ack David
08:27:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> David_Fazio: Most sites on the web are content management systems
08:27:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
08:27:40 <Neha> ack ErikAnderson
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08:27:51 <goto> q+
08:28:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> ErikAnderson: This feels like a site map, are we duplicating effort?
08:28:33 <Neha> ErikAnderson: Sitemap can be one option
08:31:01 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: Erik you are speaking our language and this is what we are asking to add ne wattribute
08:31:43 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: We are also open to work with existing markup
08:32:11 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: .. because we are wondering hoe agents are finding these pages
08:32:14 <Neha> q?
08:32:47 <Neha> ack goto
08:33:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> Goto: Elevate to the browser UI?
08:34:09 <Neha> goto: We can think of elevating browser UI
08:34:43 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: that is what we dream for
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08:35:36 <Neha> q+ David
08:35:44 <Neha> ack David
08:36:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> goto: Login is 'special'
08:36:59 <Neha> David: it can be overwhelming for some users
08:37:03 <Neha> q?
08:37:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a browser UI for login would likely be welcomed
08:37:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... password management a social login is currently, more and more, being mediated by the browser
08:38:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... making the web more useful to users
08:38:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> .. and giving the user-agent more agency over login
08:38:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I agree, if we make thiese things more discoverable, we help users and agents
08:39:08 <Neha> q?
08:39:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> david_fazio: Recommend seeing 'making content useable"
08:42:18 <Neha> David: should consider multiple use cases
08:42:56 <Neha> Abhinav: please add in issue list of adapt github
08:43:27 <Neha> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues
08:43:40 <Neha> List of proposed destinations
08:43:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The list is in our github as 'proposed destinations'
08:43:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3Aproposed-destination
08:45:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We were thinking of it as 'predictable destinations' for a while
08:45:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> goot: yes, login is predictably necessary
08:45:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there are patterns to websites
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08:45:38 <Neha> q?
08:45:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> Neha: We tend to use icons as well for login, logout
08:46:29 <Neha> Janina: General idea is good one and still new to come up something concrete
08:46:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Seems the idea, in general, and the direction, is useful and meaningful
08:46:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... There are issues with maintainability that came up
08:46:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... anyone disagree?
08:47:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> David_Fazio: Elevating to browser UI is exciting, but if all the proposed destinations are elevated, it becomes a long list
08:47:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The list is long now, we expect to pare it down to the really key things
08:48:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> goto: Favicons and HTML Title have both been elevated into the browser UI
08:48:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... constructive and uncluttered
08:50:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> David_Fazio: COGA may want to discuss it
08:51:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> goto: Change password URL does not show up in the browser per se
08:51:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the browser is sotring poor passwords, hacked passwords, and can offer the user an opportunity to change it
08:52:12 <Neha> q?
08:52:49 <Neha> Lionel_Wolberger: One of the task for agent would be look for the accessibility of a website
08:53:57 <Neha> q?
08:54:28 <Neha> Rrsagent, make minutes
08:54:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-adapt-minutes.html Neha
08:56:37 <Abhinav> Slide Link: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/adapt/main/presentations/tpac-2025/index.html
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08:58:02 <goto> I'm goto@google.com and I'd love to continue the chat, including this week at TPAC
08:59:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
08:59:12 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Neha, Lionel_Wolberger, Janina, Abhinav, chiace
08:59:14 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
08:59:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
08:59:21 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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13:45:23 <tidoust> RRSAgent, bye
13:45:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items