IRC log of adapt on 2025-11-10

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Meeting: Stronger Together: Super-charging Agentic AI with Accessibility Destinations
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Chair: Janina Sajka
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Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/62
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Zakim, clear agenda
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Zakim, agenda+ Pick a scribe
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Zakim, agenda+ Reminders: code of conduct, health policies, recorded session policy
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Zakim, agenda+ Goal of this session
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Zakim, agenda+ Discussion
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Zakim, agenda+ Next steps / where discussion continues
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Zakim, agenda+ Adjourn / Use IRC command: Zakim, end meeting
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present+
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agenda?
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present+
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scribe+
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Janina: Introduced about agenda
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Lionel_Wolberger: Going through presentation
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Abhinav is sharing presentation
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Lionel: How Agentic AI is seen
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Lionel_Wolberger: Statement - Compare accessibility statements across 50 partner websites
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Abhinav: Explaining the steps
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present+ Janina
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present+ Abhinav
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scribe+
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Abhinav: How agent will work on this example
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Floor is open for discussion
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zakim, take up item 4
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agendum 4 -- Discussion -- taken up [from tidoust]
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q?
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q+
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ack goto
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goto: Login aspect
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q?
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Present+
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Abhinav: Discover -> Navigate -> Fetch
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Lionel_Wolberger: We will be approaching this with layers
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q?
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q+ David
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ack Mark_Foltz
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Mark_Foltz: How do we ensure that the discoverable destinations list remains accurate
08:24:40 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: The Discoverable Desintaions metadata could be generated and corrected by a site-side bot
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Mark_Foltz: Should be thought from scalability perspective
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Janina: Explore maintenance side
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ack David
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David_Fazio: Most sites on the web are content management systems
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q?
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ErikAnderson: This feels like a site map, are we duplicating effort?
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ErikAnderson: Sitemap can be one option
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Lionel_Wolberger: Erik you are speaking our language and this is what we are asking to add ne wattribute
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Lionel_Wolberger: We are also open to work with existing markup
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Lionel_Wolberger: .. because we are wondering hoe agents are finding these pages
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q?
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Goto: Elevate to the browser UI?
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goto: We can think of elevating browser UI
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Lionel_Wolberger: that is what we dream for
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goto: Login is 'special'
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David: it can be overwhelming for some users
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q?
08:37:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... a browser UI for login would likely be welcomed
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... password management a social login is currently, more and more, being mediated by the browser
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... making the web more useful to users
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.. and giving the user-agent more agency over login
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... I agree, if we make thiese things more discoverable, we help users and agents
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q?
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david_fazio: Recommend seeing 'making content useable"
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David: should consider multiple use cases
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Abhinav: please add in issue list of adapt github
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https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues
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List of proposed destinations
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Lionel_Wolberger: The list is in our github as 'proposed destinations'
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... https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3Aproposed-destination
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janina: We were thinking of it as 'predictable destinations' for a while
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goot: yes, login is predictably necessary
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... there are patterns to websites
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q?
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Neha: We tend to use icons as well for login, logout
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Janina: General idea is good one and still new to come up something concrete
08:46:34 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: Seems the idea, in general, and the direction, is useful and meaningful
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... There are issues with maintainability that came up
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... anyone disagree?
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David_Fazio: Elevating to browser UI is exciting, but if all the proposed destinations are elevated, it becomes a long list
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janina: The list is long now, we expect to pare it down to the really key things
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goto: Favicons and HTML Title have both been elevated into the browser UI
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... constructive and uncluttered
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David_Fazio: COGA may want to discuss it
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goto: Change password URL does not show up in the browser per se
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... the browser is sotring poor passwords, hacked passwords, and can offer the user an opportunity to change it
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q?
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Lionel_Wolberger: One of the task for agent would be look for the accessibility of a website
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q?
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Rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-adapt-minutes.html Neha
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Slide Link: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/adapt/main/presentations/tpac-2025/index.html
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I'm goto@google.com and I'd love to continue the chat, including this week at TPAC
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As of this point the attendees have been Neha, Lionel_Wolberger, Janina, Abhinav, chiace
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/10-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items