14:02:13 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 14:02:17 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/10/30-wot-td-irc 14:02:22 Zakim has joined #wot-td 14:02:26 chair: Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster 14:02:32 Meeting: WoT Thing Description 14:02:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:02:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/30-wot-td-minutes.html Ege 14:02:40 rrsagent, make log public 14:03:03 Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Mahda_Noura, Luca_Barbato 14:03:12 present+ Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Mahda_Noura, Luca_Barbato 14:03:15 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/30-wot-td-minutes.html Ege 14:03:37 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:03:52 mahda has joined #wot-td 14:04:01 Mizushima has joined #wot-td 14:04:10 present+ Mahda_Noura 14:06:32 cris has joined #wot-td 14:06:50 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner 14:06:58 dape has joined #wot-td 14:07:49 scribenick: Ege 14:08:59 topic: Minutes 14:09:03 https://www.w3.org/2025/10/23-wot-td-minutes.html 14:09:08 ek: any remarks? 14:09:14 lb: looks good 14:09:18 ek: approved 14:09:27 ... I am making a PR for the wot repo with html minutes 14:10:13 topic: Toolchain Updates 14:11:53 mn: they also have a runtime. linkml-runtime generates the linkml documentation. Eat your own dogfood 14:11:54 ... now they are working on merging the both repositories 14:12:06 ... i.e. linkml and linkml-runtime 14:12:31 ... in the meantime, I started learning about their testing runtime 14:12:59 ... I talked to a colleague in Siemens, Silvano, who works on this too 14:13:39 subtopic: additionalProperties modelling 14:13:45 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description-toolchain-tmp/issues/28 14:14:19 ... I was doing some post processing to add additionalProperties 14:14:27 ... it depends on the linkml-runtime 14:15:02 ... this is tracked in https://github.com/linkml/linkml/pull/2940 14:15:02 mjk has joined #wot-td 14:15:03 q? 14:15:15 present+ Michael_Koster 14:15:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:15:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/30-wot-td-minutes.html Ege 14:15:51 subtopic: Multilanguage Support 14:16:33 ... this is tracked in https://github.com/linkml/linkml/pull/2896 14:17:00 q+ 14:17:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:17:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/30-wot-td-minutes.html dape 14:17:50 q+ 14:18:05 ack dape 14:18:58 ek: do we have the same feature in the json-ld context 14:19:40 q+ to https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#example-11 14:19:57 ack e 14:20:09 mn: yes it is in our context as well 14:20:35 ack dape 14:20:35 dape, you wanted to https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#example-11 14:21:23 dp: we have titles and title and it looks different to the example in linkml 14:21:31 ... who is behaving badly? 14:22:06 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/context/td-context-1.1.jsonld#L1387 14:22:18 mn: the default language in TD terms is english 14:22:42 https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#table-vocabulary-terms-in-dataschema-level 14:24:11 dp: is our title going to be object based on this ? 14:24:19 ca: we decided to keep it a string for now 14:24:41 q? 14:25:42 luca_barbato has joined #wot-td 14:26:03 q+ 14:26:04 ... this way we support json only parsers 14:27:16 q- 14:27:33 q+ to https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#example-9 14:28:10 ack dape 14:28:10 dape, you wanted to https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#example-9 14:28:11 ek: should we add anything to our multilanguage examples? Like in the linkml example? 14:28:23 mn: no since our json-ld context already explains it 14:30:30 subtopic: PR 2900 in LinkML 14:30:43 mn: this got merged so I get to remove a post processing script 14:31:43 ... this is a nice progress I am seeing 14:31:48 subtopic: our repo 14:32:08 mn: I need to fix the ontology generators 14:32:19 ... also I managed to back into the repo 14:32:23 ... I did some cleanups 14:32:28 ... also the document generation 14:33:04 ... I have copied over the index.template.html 14:33:18 ... we have the placeholder indicated by %s 14:33:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:33:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/30-wot-td-minutes.html Ege 14:34:27 ... I create jinja template and now focusing on the Thing class 14:36:59 ... (shows the local index.html) 14:37:43 ... the table section now gets auto generated 14:40:51 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/validation/td-validation.ttl 14:42:16 mn: we need to handle the atrisk stuff too 14:43:02 ek: also we need unique ids for assertions 14:46:25 mn: and I need to go into the shacl shapes too 14:46:34 ek: yes I hate that we need to edit that file at the same time 14:48:01 mn: also the ontology and spec have different values for descriptions 14:50:14 ca: not sure why we have a discrepency but indeed we should not have this 14:52:49 ek: also good to see that the linkml community is active 14:53:10 mn: yes indeed. however, I would need to provide a fix the rdf generator as it doesn't seem to be a high prio for them 14:54:43 mn: we can keep a fork and use that for the spec as well. What do you think? 14:54:53 ek: we should contribute upstream 14:55:28 topic: Charter 14:58:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:58:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/30-wot-td-minutes.html dape 14:58:19 ek: the charter discussion will be at a bad time for the europe timezone 14:58:56 ... please comment on the issues https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1237 and https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1240 14:59:36 topic: Common Definitions 15:00:23 ek: the discussion from yesterday is at https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2159 15:02:51 ... I have added a new example to https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2154 that expresses multi protocol thing with http for properties and mqtt for events 15:02:57 ... not satisfied enough 15:03:49 q+ 15:04:35 ek: can we merge? I will take it as the basis for some tests in tpac 15:04:38 q/ 15:04:40 ack l 15:06:16 egekorkan has joined #wot-td 15:13:29 Ege has joined #wot-td