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06:50:40 <krit> scribe: Dirk
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06:50:56 <krit> topic: SVGStyleElement - deprecate 'media' attribute
06:51:04 <krit> https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/1022
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06:53:46 <krit> karlcow: media attribute isn't deprecated HTML. So makes no sense to remove it from SVG.
06:54:06 <krit> karlcow: should we keep it and close the ticket
06:54:34 <krit> Vinay: It should be fine. Lets close the bug
06:55:03 <krit> RESOLUTION: Keep media attribute in the spec and close bug as HTML still has the attribute as well
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06:55:27 <krit> topic: Should getBBox returns values when the shape can't be drawn
06:55:35 <krit> https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues/1018
06:55:37 <nzimmermann> sorry for being late, we had a power cut :-(
06:56:59 <krit> karlcow: If with or height are negative, we should make everything 0 in getBBox
06:57:09 <krit> karlcow: ...according to last resolution
06:58:32 <krit> dmangal: We should not throw if there are invalid values.
06:58:59 <krit> dmangal: I am concerned what we should return: everything 0 or only the width/height dimension turn 0
06:59:30 <krit> dmangal: an element with 0 dimension does have a bounding box according to spec
06:59:51 <krit> dmangal: according to the paragraph in qiuestion. Should we change the paragraph?
07:00:13 <krit> karlcow_: The resolution shouldn't have any affect on the rest of the SVG document IMO
07:00:30 <krit> karlcow_: Putting everyhthing to 0 seems to be simplest
07:00:45 <krit> nzimmermann: Most obvious would be 0 everything.
07:01:07 <krit> nzimmermann: Elements with 0-dimension doesn't have an effect on parent bounding box.
07:01:25 <krit> nzimmermann: So there is no value to keep position and make dimension only 0
07:01:51 <krit> nzimmermann: seems to be natural to return 0
07:02:29 <krit> dmangal: A path can be 1 dimensional. Would that be different?
07:03:06 <krit> krit: M 100 100 L 100 100 as example
07:03:15 <krit> nzimmermann: valid question
07:03:28 <krit> nzimmermann: we should test this scenario
07:03:55 <krit> karlcow_: We should create WPT tests first and see what browsers return and decide based on the results.
07:05:31 <krit> nzimmermann: there is no way to fill a dot. But of course we can stroke it. SVG2 does have arguments for getBBox. So maybe one can differentiate between getBBox w/o arguments and an argument for getting the stroke boundingbox
07:06:11 <krit> nzimmermann: We should test these scenarios. Agree with karlcow_ : we should base our decision on the results on WPT.
07:06:22 <krit> karlcow_: Who'll create the tests
07:06:27 <krit> dmangal: I will
07:06:58 <krit> ACTION: dmangal will create more detailed getBBox tests for WPT and also take the arguments into account.
07:07:52 <krit> karlcow_: The paragraph you found almost looks like an algorithm. There are many places in SVG2 where things are said but not written as algorithm
07:07:58 <krit> karlcow_: it is strange to me.
07:08:10 <krit> dmangal: It seems off from the rest of the paragraph
07:08:46 <krit> topic: TPAC breakout session
07:09:11 <krit> karlcow_: If there is anything you'd like to discuss at TPAC let me know. The breakout session is at the end of the day.
07:09:46 <krit> ACTION: Add breakout session questions and send them to Karl
07:10:04 <karlcow_> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/c95c5f2b-10c4-4d8d-96c7-ae652c04cf40/
07:10:22 <karlcow_> 12 November 2025, 17:30–18:30 Japan Standard Time
07:10:23 <karlcow_> Local: 12 November 2025, 17:30 – 18:30 Japan Standard Time
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07:10:44 <nzimmermann> note: width/height=0, was already discussed in the past: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2012Aug/0014.html
07:11:04 <karlcow_> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/18
07:11:59 <karlcow_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2012Aug/thread.html#msg14
07:12:58 <krit> Rrsagent, make minutes
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