18:18:26 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #a11yedge
18:18:30 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/10/29-a11yedge-irc
18:18:30 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
18:18:31 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
18:18:51 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edte (A11yEdge) Community Group Teleconference
18:18:57 <janina> Date: 29 Oct 2025
18:19:01 <janina> Chair: Janina
18:30:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger has joined #a11yedge
18:32:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:32:53 <janina> present+
18:32:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Chris
18:34:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Jason
18:36:28 <janina> http://raw.githack.com/a11yedge/capabilities/polish1/
18:38:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Usually
18:38:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: Can we remove 'usually', dont feel we need it
18:40:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We discussed this. the 'usually' conveys that there may be other ways of doing things
18:40:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I want to keep that
18:41:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
18:41:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/29-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
18:44:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: Our main point is, IF YOU CAN fix content with HTML
18:44:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... IF YOU CAN, fix presentation with CSS
18:44:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Agreed
18:44:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: The 'usually' in the heading is NOT what we are trying to say
18:48:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Preferably is better than usually
18:48:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: Agree
18:49:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Preferably expresses intent, which usually does not
18:51:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: Regarding the broad audience, many people will not read the entire document. They will skim.
18:51:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the preferable in the headings makes good sense
18:54:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: We and Us
18:57:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... How We Evaluate Automatability change to Evaluating Automatiability
18:57:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... each capability has been evaluated in the following way
18:59:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I support keeping 'we', but perhaps we can lose some
19:10:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Vigorous discussion of "our rationale" and "we" first person voice
19:14:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: I see now, having "we" allows us to enter the dialog from a good position
19:14:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the document says, this is our approach
19:16:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 1.7.3 does start every single paragraph with, 'we'
19:16:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... consider using some passive language in the body
19:22:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
19:22:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Chris, Jason
19:22:48 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:22:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/29-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
19:22:55 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
19:22:56 <Zakim> Zakim has left #a11yedge