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13:28:14 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:28:22 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt Teleconference
13:28:42 <janina> Date: 28 Oct 2025
13:28:49 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
13:29:12 <janina> agenda+ Name-It!
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14:00:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
14:00:42 <Zakim> Present: Lionel_Wolberger
14:00:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, gb, hadleybeeman, jcraig, Roy_Ruoxi
14:00:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:00:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:00:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/28-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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14:09:23 <matatk> agenda?
14:09:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
14:09:29 <Zakim> Present: Lionel_Wolberger, Abhinav, matatk
14:09:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Russell, matatk, Abhinav, Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, gb, hadleybeeman, jcraig, Roy_Ruoxi
14:09:44 <janina> present+
14:09:55 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:09:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Name-It! -- taken up [from janina]
14:10:35 <matatk> Link to minutes from last time: https://www.w3.org/2025/10/21-adapt-minutes.html#2cfc
14:10:43 <matatk> (which links to previous ones)
14:10:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: FAD: Frequently Accessed Destinations (or Frequently Asked-for Destinations)
14:10:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... FAC: Frequently Accessed Content  (or Frequently Asked-for Content)
14:11:12 <matatk> janina: re the cute naming (FAC/FAD) we don't want to get confused with something else (as we could with well-known)
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14:11:26 <janina> scribe+
14:12:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... other nouns: discoverable; standard, common destinations, waypoints, familiar, core, recognizable, WAIpoints, signposts
14:12:31 <janina> discoverable, standard, common, frequently
14:12:45 <janina> destinations, way-points,
14:12:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Adjective: discoverable; standard, common, familiar, core, recognizable
14:13:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Noun: content, destinations, waypoint (WAIpoint), signpost, page, part-of-a-page
14:13:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: The destination is the page itself, even if the page has other items
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14:16:36 <matatk> janina: Do we agree on the 'destinations' part?
14:16:43 <matatk> matatk: I like Common Destinations
14:16:53 <matatk> janina: me too
14:17:07 <matatk> janina: Though TTS things its 'candellas'
14:17:38 <matatk> matatk: I liked FAD from last time but agree with being too cute... however CD is 'Change Directory' which is what we are doing in a way...
14:17:49 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: I like FAD. It explaints itself in moments.
14:18:36 <matatk> Abhinav: I like 'destinations'
14:18:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The 'cute' is not what recommends it, it is the efficacy it enables when explaining it. FAQ/FAD
14:18:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We agree on the noun, Destinations.
14:19:37 <matatk> frequent, standard, familiar, common, discoverable, ... (from last time plus just now)
14:19:42 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: do we need the 'accessed'
14:19:48 <matatk> janina: I can do with or without it
14:19:55 <matatk> Russell: CAD and SAD aren't that good
14:20:07 <matatk> janina: I'd rather be a FAD than SAD or BAD...
14:20:39 <matatk> janina: (boldly)
14:20:45 <matatk> matatk: (brazenly...)
14:21:04 <matatk> janina: we need them to be discoverable but we need to be able to enter a URI predictably
14:21:13 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: negative connotations of 'common'?
14:21:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: The commons has a positive connotation
14:21:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: When we moved away from well known URIs we moved away from having a predictable URI
14:21:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we now have a predictable token
14:22:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we are facilitating discovery of URLs by means of providing tokens
14:22:46 <matatk> matatk: the tokens are predictable (rel attr values)
14:22:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... so I do not rule out discovery/discoverable
14:22:52 <matatk> Russell: Who's the target audience/
14:23:07 <matatk> janina: Content development community
14:23:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:23:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/28-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:25:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Discoverable, Common, or Frequent are the best candidates in my opinion
14:25:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Standard seems ruled out, as they are not normative
14:26:39 <matatk> Discoverable Destinations
14:26:39 <matatk> Common Destinations
14:26:39 <matatk> Frequent Destinations
14:26:39 <matatk> Frequently Accessed Destinations
14:27:20 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Frequent isn't applicable for one user really?
14:27:42 <matatk> matatk: But you could say that for FAQs - it's _across_ the user population - which also indicates the bar to be set for adding destinations.
14:27:57 <matatk> Russell: FAQs - Qs we want you to ask, or are willing to provide an answer for :-)
14:28:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The POV of FAQ is very helpful when discussing our domain of common destinations
14:30:10 <matatk> matatk: In 5yrs are we going to wish we had more/fewer of these? Naming sets the tone and bar. Or we just let them evolve organically anyway (as they likely will)? Discoverable sets a more permissive tone. Frequently Accessed more strict?
14:30:35 <matatk> janina: I like the internationalised nature of what we are proposing here.
14:30:50 <matatk> matatk: Universal Destinations?
14:30:58 <matatk> matatk: too strong?
14:31:54 <matatk> matatk: Not Popular Destinations
14:32:04 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Local?
14:32:17 <matatk> matatk: Don't think needed in title - everything should be localised
14:32:26 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: comes back to point of view as above
14:35:56 <matatk> matatk: We (W3C) like to name things by what they do, rather than how they work.
14:37:35 <matatk> matatk: Most important factor in name is what problem it solves for users.
14:37:57 <matatk> *Group all happy with it!*
14:39:05 <matatk> matatk: I don't think people will refer to this via its TLA (2-letter Acronym, as opposed to 3-letter) because they're only 2 letters.
14:39:33 <matatk> Abhinav: I finished incorporating the feedback on my PR - matatk or janina, can you review?
14:39:47 <matatk> janina: Been slammed but looking forward to reading; loved what  you did last time.
14:39:51 <matatk> matatk: (+1)
14:40:15 <matatk> Abhinav: There was a comment from matatk about extending landmarks to aid in navigation. Wasn't sure if i should include in this same PR, or leave as-is for now.
14:41:31 <matatk> matatk: Please could you make an issue, link to the comment, so we can refer to it later?
14:42:19 <matatk> janina: we have 1 more meeting before TPAC. we will likely have a breakout - we prpoose it. We should prepare for it during the week and resolve what we want to do next week. Will add relevant folks as co-facilitators
14:42:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: TPAC Preps
14:43:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: See above
14:43:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... be sure to make Abhinav and Lionel co-facilitators
14:43:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... also note USA/North America goes to -5 GMT next week (is currently -4)
14:43:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Boston time 'falls back'
14:44:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Do we need a deck?
14:44:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The focus is on synergy between the needs of MCP and DDs
14:45:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the breakout should foster conversation regarding potential synergies
14:46:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... prepare use cases, that we should explore
14:46:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The Explainer could be the only asset we share, to explain what DDs are (discoverable destinations)
14:56:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Symbols
14:56:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Unpacked the tar, and demonstrated Symbols markup
14:56:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Every word has a symbol!
14:57:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Yes, that is typical in AAC. But we can markup less
14:57:40 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:57:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, Abhinav, matatk, janina, Russell
14:57:43 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/28-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
14:57:50 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:58:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: I changed focus from working on the font, to come with some examples using the editor
14:59:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I provided about 30 ARASAAC symbols
14:59:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in a format that is amenable to Matthew 'flipping a switch' in his editor to see Bliss, then see ARASAAC
15:00:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting