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12:53:54 <TallTed> meeting: Data Shapes WG
12:53:56 <TallTed> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/blob/agenda/admin/agenda-2025-10-27.md
12:53:57 <agendabot> clear agenda
12:53:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion
12:53:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Process
12:53:58 <TallTed> chair: elianaP
12:54:00 <TallTed> present+
12:54:34 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/10/20-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:54:36 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/03-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:56:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/27-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:56:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/27-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
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13:02:33 <DavidHabgood> present+
13:02:37 <simonstey> present+
13:02:39 <elianaP> present+
13:02:42 <simonstey> scribe: simonstey
13:02:44 <TallTed> agenda?
13:03:17 <simonstey> elianaP: nick is not joining today
13:03:21 <TallTed> we might want to consider a restructuring of the agenda page, such that agendabot better handles the subtopics
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13:03:49 <edmond> present+
13:03:59 <simonstey> elianaP: I'll look into it
13:04:13 <simonstey> TallTed: don't know the exact syntax the bot likes
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13:05:30 <TallTed> could also tweak the URL in the Agenda, to go directly to the `agenda` branch
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13:06:56 <simonstey> topic: Phase 1 deliverables
13:07:13 <simonstey> elianaP: horizontal reviews still need to be initiated
13:07:19 <simonstey> topic: TF updates
13:08:05 <simonstey> elianaP: Holger is not online
13:08:09 <simonstey> ... any other updates?
13:08:14 <simonstey> ... SHACL profiling?
13:08:50 <simonstey> YoucTagh: a few of us met, we gave an update on what we are proposing
13:09:19 <simonstey> ... two subsections, one using owl:imports, and another one with isDefined
13:10:21 <simonstey> ... we want to introduce another property similar to sh:deactivate like "exclude"
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13:10:53 <simonstey> ... which would be different from deactivate (primarily as to not interfere with the existing semantics
13:11:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/27-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
13:11:34 <simonstey> elianaP: I also see a note from nick on the agenda -> more ideas about packaging etc. would be appreciated
13:11:40 <simonstey> ... if anyone wants to contribute
13:11:43 <elianaP> q?
13:14:07 <simonstey> edmond: In last week's meeting, there was a new proposal on how UI widget scoring can be implemented, it's a new proposal.
13:14:15 <simonstey> ... It's still fairly new, so I think this week's meeting will still be discussing it.
13:14:28 <simonstey> ... There's a new GitHub issue separate to this, around property roles.
13:14:41 <simonstey> ... There is a GitHub issue there now, but we might think about how else this can be used, and then propose whether it should be added to core, or something else.
13:14:56 <simonstey> AndyS: we had a meeting last week
13:15:15 <simonstey> ... the SHACL rules TF that is
13:16:04 <simonstey> ... in general, we have to consider/think about what the best ways to get material out would be
13:16:41 <simonstey> ... REC route is a bit limited because once it's out, you can't really update it anymore without a dedicated WH
13:16:46 <simonstey> s/WH/WG
13:17:18 <TallTed> "Best Practices" and the like seem better suited to Community Group than Working Group output/management
13:17:24 <simonstey> elianaP: we talked about living standards
13:18:25 <simonstey> AndyS:  The living standards are good for handling errata.
13:18:33 <simonstey> ... They can also add normative features to the specification, but they are constrained in what they can change
13:18:39 <simonstey> ... They can not change anything that might affect existing implementations, so that's why fixing errata is okay.
13:18:45 <simonstey> ... That's why adding features, providing it doesn't invalidate a lot of other stuff, is okay.
13:18:50 <simonstey> ... So, yes, they exist, it's a good way to go forward to maintain the spec.
13:18:56 <simonstey> ... But there's more than that if you want to have something that has more community involvement.
13:19:07 <simonstey> ... And that might change and evolve, and might withdraw things, or change the emphasis, which, framed as a living standard, that would be changing implementations.
13:19:32 <simonstey> elianaP: last TF we need an update from -> SHACL CS
13:19:46 <simonstey> ... but no real update from any folks involved
13:19:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/27-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
13:19:59 <simonstey> topic: general business
13:20:12 <simonstey> elianaP: AndyS, I saw you created an issue about auto publishing
13:20:39 <simonstey> AndyS: I don't think there are any changes necessary, but I have to sync with Holger on that front.
13:21:00 <simonstey> elianaP: I'll get in touch with caribou after this meeting
13:21:59 <YoucTagh> q+
13:22:05 <simonstey> ... other than that, I think we are through with the agenda
13:22:07 <YoucTagh> Issue #594 : Add a Note About the Test Suite Conformance Check: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/594#issuecomment-3365459470
13:22:07 <YoucTagh> PR #483 path grammar: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/pull/483#issuecomment-3415700525
13:22:17 <simonstey> YoucTagh: heads up -> the two comments
13:23:18 <simonstey> ... having a note in the core -> that implementers can check their level of conformity using the test cases
13:23:43 <simonstey> ... holger mentioned another possibility -> please vote
13:24:07 <simonstey> ... another one is about the style of the SVGs vladimir was proposing
13:26:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/27-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
13:26:59 <elianaP> regrets: Nick
13:27:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/27-data-shapes-minutes.html elianaP
14:21:14 <AndyS> zakim, end meeting
14:21:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, DavidHabgood, simonstey, elianaP, ieben, SimonW, edmond, YoucTagh
14:21:16 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:21:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/27-data-shapes-minutes.html Zakim
14:21:24 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, AndyS; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:22:00 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave
14:22:00 <RRSAgent> I see no action items