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14:57:30 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:57:40 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:57:48 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
14:57:52 <Fazio> present+
14:57:56 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:57:56 <Fazio> Agenda+ CFC Review
14:57:56 <Fazio> Agenda+ GitHub Issue #358 Repetition proof point in 2.5.2.2.1 & 2.5.2.2.4
14:57:56 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #337 Expand/clarify audiences
14:57:57 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #340 'Suggested' proof points
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15:03:26 <Neha> scribe+
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15:05:18 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:05:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:06:18 <Neha> CharlesL: Do we have schedule for break out session?
15:06:39 <Neha> Fazio: Not schedule yet
15:06:39 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:06:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- CFC Review -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:07:34 <Neha> Fazio: we can easily address -1 which popped up yesterday but before that we got all +1
15:07:42 <Mark_Miller> present+
15:09:26 <Neha> Fazio: Jason has issues with our github and comments but I think it should be internal for us and issues present right now are recommendation
15:10:21 <Neha> Fazio: As per me we can proceed
15:10:33 <Neha> janina: All objections will be considered
15:13:33 <Neha> Fazio: reading Maturity model continues to need a lot of work
15:13:33 <Neha> #359
15:13:54 <Neha> Fazio: This does not look substantial issue
15:16:44 <janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy
15:17:09 <Neha> janina: The governing document is this, we have a policy to handle -1 votes
15:17:53 <Neha> janina: Mattew and I will have to discuss this first and come up with a decision
15:18:42 <Fazio> q+
15:20:38 <Neha> janina: we have several implementors who mentioned that it was easy to follow -
15:20:45 <Neha> ack Fazio
15:22:26 <CharlesL> q+
15:25:21 <Neha> Sheri_B-H: WCAg four years ago is not same today, so is there a point when we try to align WCAG?
15:25:28 <Neha> ack CharlesL
15:25:59 <Neha> Charles: Apart from using it, we also built a product around it
15:27:02 <Neha> CharlesL: Shared the feedback for using Maturity model
15:28:47 <Fazio> q?
15:28:50 <Neha> CharlesL: We conducted a survey and shared results
15:28:51 <Fazio> q+
15:29:46 <Fazio> q?
15:29:47 <Neha> janina: any of that quotable?
15:29:59 <Neha> CharlesL: yes
15:30:38 <janina> q?
15:30:48 <Neha> ack Fazio
15:31:27 <Neha> Fazio: future can be exploring normative side
15:32:20 <Neha> janina: easy fix for aligning goals
15:32:43 <Neha> Sheri_B-H: Was she reading the correct version/
15:32:49 <Fazio> The model provided is to evaluate a disability inclusive organization but the goal stated is "guide for organizations to evaluate and improve their business processes to produce digital products that are accessible to people with disabilities. " For example, the personnel tab would not be needed for the stated goal. There are several results of the
15:32:49 <Fazio> stated goal and model being out of alignment. First, it will miss its target audience. A digital accessibility maturity model's target audience is the digital accessibility staff and allies
15:33:04 <Neha> janina: We shared one version through CFC
15:33:54 <Fazio> The model provided is to evaluate a disability inclusive organization but the goal stated is "guide for organizations to evaluate and improve their business processes to produce digital products that are accessible to people with disabilities. " For example, the personnel tab would not be needed for the stated goal. There are several results of the
15:33:54 <Fazio> stated goal and model being out of alignment. First, it will miss its target audience. A digital accessibility maturity model's target audience is the digital accessibility staff and allies. A disability inclusive model's target audience is much broader and includes HR, accommodations staff, digital accessibility staff, etc. Because this model is
15:33:54 <Fazio> broader, WCAG 3 cannot adopt it as it is.
15:36:19 <Neha> janina: I need to talk to Mattew
15:36:48 <Neha> janina: How to answer a question - Why do we have to publish
15:37:46 <Neha> Fazio: As it is a iterative process, we should publish and keep working
15:38:33 <Neha> Sheri_B-H: also people build on top of it
15:40:02 <Neha> janina: Does deque has their own model?
15:40:23 <Mark_Miller> present+
15:40:30 <Neha> Mark_Miller: they do have a roadmap, not sure it is a model
15:41:54 <Neha> janina: we will acknowledge and we will summrize everything and resond to them
15:42:11 <Neha> Fazio: We can help you with a reply
15:42:33 <Neha> janina: Keep it simple and yes minutes will help
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15:43:45 <Neha> janina: we will use experience of people who have used it
15:45:34 <Neha> Fazio, janina: CharlesL can send a email by sharing feedback from Benetech side which will help to come up with a reply
15:48:24 <Neha> janina: sharing a link where maturity model is mentioned
15:48:25 <janina> https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/
15:48:43 <Neha> Fazio: Is it a strong point to put ?
15:48:53 <Neha> janina: strongest
15:49:19 <Neha> Fazio: Is there a format?
15:49:27 <Neha> janina:  yes there is
15:49:40 <Neha> janina: we need and endorsment like Benetech in it
15:50:09 <Neha> Fazio: I have reference and I will continue with that
15:51:40 <Neha> zakim, end the meeting
15:51:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Neha, janina, CharlesL, Sheri_B-H, Mark_Miller, Dr_Keith
15:51:42 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/22-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:51:50 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Neha; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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