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12:35:30 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:35:47 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:35:55 <janina> Date: 22 Oct 2025
12:35:59 <janina> Chair: Janina
12:36:02 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:36:02 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025
12:36:02 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
12:36:02 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
12:36:02 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
12:36:05 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
12:36:07 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
12:36:10 <janina> agenda+ Other business
12:36:12 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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14:02:26 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
14:02:26 <Zakim> Present: PaulG, janina, Roy_Ruoxi, Fazio, IrfanA, Sheri_B-H, Eric_hind, JenStrickland, matatk
14:02:28 <matatk> agenda?
14:02:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see matatk, JenStrickland, Eric_hind, Sheri_B-H, IrfanA, PaulG, Fazio, RRSAgent, Zakim, kirkwood, janina, chrishtr, hdv, jcraig, gb, Roy_Ruoxi, jyasskin, vmpstr,
14:02:29 <Zakim> ... slightlyoff, Rachael, alastairc
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14:04:08 <JenStrickland> Zakim, take up next
14:04:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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14:04:41 <JenStrickland> Hearing nothing… Zakim, take up next
14:04:50 <JenStrickland> Zakim, take up next
14:04:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, JenStrickland
14:04:54 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/latest
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14:05:57 <JenStrickland> For the new folks: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/latest
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14:06:16 <JenStrickland> Call for consensus is open through midnight tonight.
14:06:27 <JenStrickland> There are two negatives, that the chairs will review
14:06:35 <janina> q?
14:06:47 <JenStrickland> Zakim, take up next
14:06:47 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2025 -- taken up [from janina]
14:07:02 <JenStrickland> TPAC is just a few weeks away.
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14:07:29 <matatk> q+ to talk about breakouts and HR updates
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14:07:36 <JenStrickland> Calendar is coming together. Breakouts were to be proposed by yesterday.
14:07:39 <Fredrik> present+
14:07:39 <chiace> present+
14:07:49 <JenStrickland> 60 breakouts proposed, 9 are accessibility related.
14:07:54 <Fredrik> TF breakout disclosure!
14:08:03 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:08:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/22-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:08:19 <janina> q?
14:08:22 <janina> ack ma
14:08:22 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to talk about breakouts and HR updates
14:08:22 <JenStrickland> ack matatk
14:08:44 <JenStrickland> Fredrik - is there a disclosure we need to discuss?
14:09:19 <Fredrik> JenStrickland - no, it was just me piping up in my capacity as FAST fastilitator.
14:09:30 <JenStrickland> matatk is discussing improvements to the horizontal review process, the FAST checklist, the framework for accessibility. And improvements to where APA sits in the process (currently too late).
14:10:21 <JenStrickland> matatk The feedback received as we've embraced GitHub is very helpful. We are working with the W3C technical teams to implement the ideas within the process and improve the documentation.
14:11:02 <janina> q?
14:11:04 <JenStrickland> matatk Thank you very much for the helpful feedback.
14:11:25 <JenStrickland> Zakim, take up next
14:11:25 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
14:11:51 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: CSS Environment Variables Module Level 1
14:11:51 <Roy_Ruoxi> URL: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-env-1/
14:11:57 <JenStrickland> Roy_Ruoxi There is one document the CSS Environment Variable Module, Level 1.
14:12:27 <JenStrickland> Roy_Ruoxi It's about CSS variable module… first public working draft from two weeks ago.
14:13:01 <JenStrickland> PaulG I don't know anything about it directly, but will take a look.
14:13:22 <JenStrickland> janina Anyone else want to take a look?
14:13:30 <JenStrickland> Zakim, take up next
14:13:30 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:14:04 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-longitudinal-tracking/issues/37
14:14:32 <JenStrickland> Still discussing the new on TR, planning to create a new tracking issue. There is a longitudinal tracking issue that Roy_Ruoxi created.
14:15:32 <Sheri_B-H> present+
14:15:42 <JenStrickland> matatk I think this is a good place for me to mention, the purpose of the different repositories: request, tracking, and longitudinal tracking. The horizontal review page in the wiki explains the purpose. What it doesn't currently add, is where to put things like issues or questions. The documentation will be updated to include this shortly.
14:16:04 <JenStrickland> matatk if you have questions in the interim, please email group-APA-chairs or the list for the public list.
14:16:16 <Roy_Ruoxi> also a assignees list in project view: https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/155/views/4
14:16:56 <JenStrickland> matatk to walk through the open issues.
14:17:33 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Accessibility Implementation Guidelines (DVB BlueBook A185)
14:17:33 <Roy_Ruoxi> tracked at: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/132
14:18:34 <JenStrickland> Roy_Ruoxi Another org called DVB asked for a review about their documented called Accessibility Implementation Guidelines.
14:18:57 <JenStrickland> matatk This is an unusual thing because it comes from an external org.
14:20:42 <JenStrickland> matatk janina and I need to do research to understand how this came to us, if there is a liaison agreement between DVB and W3C. It's not a web standard, doesn't entirely relate to web hosted content. You mentioned something important it went to Media and Entertainment Interest Group, Accessibility Guidelines Working Group, and us. We are going to
14:20:42 <JenStrickland> ask WAI leadership if they are aware of it and include the AGWG chairs.
14:21:16 <JenStrickland> matatk I'm not yet proposing we ask anyone to look at this yet, but we're not really sure how appropriate it is for this group to review.
14:22:31 <JenStrickland> janina We have process questions to answer that will scope what we say / don't. Also, there is some history about a year or so ago, about EU regulations in digital broadcasting… want to see if this is related. Meanwhile, it's logged and on our agenda, and we should know more by next week.
14:22:35 <Roy_Ruoxi> Comments from Kevin:  Ideally this should not deviate from what is in WCAG 2 and ideally should align with the direction that WCAG 3 is going so that when that is published we don’t end up with conflicting standards in this topic area.
14:22:47 <JenStrickland> Roy_Ruoxi By the way, we got some feedback from Kevin White.
14:23:21 <JenStrickland> janina I'm not sure who knows the answers to what they want us to come up with here, etc.
14:24:36 <matatk> subtopic: 2025-10-31: css-color-adjust-1
14:24:43 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/130
14:26:31 <JenStrickland> matatk This is a relatively small change.
14:26:34 <matatk> TAG review for reference https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/1156
14:28:23 <JenStrickland> PaulG I don't have any detail. I think it was discussed a while ago. It looks kind of complicated, so if anyone else wants to look at it…
14:29:05 <JenStrickland> matatk It's a candidate recommendation snapshot, which they wish to republish soon, likely to discuss at TPAC. I'll look at it with you, PaulG. I'll make a shared meta issue for us to discuss.
14:29:57 <Neha> scribe+
14:30:10 <Neha> zakim, next item
14:30:10 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:30:38 <matatk> subtopic: Scoped Focusgroup
14:30:40 <matatk> Incubation: Scoped Focusgroup
14:30:50 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/257
14:32:04 <Neha> matatk: we have discussed this before but we did not conclude, it appeared in the list because a11y label was added. But comments are added
14:33:42 <Neha> q?
14:34:19 <Neha> matatk: I will go through previous minutes to get what we had discussed
14:37:34 <Neha> PaulG: I am not sure why orientation is not being covered, ARIA roles,is it too hard ? Is the structure tree and may be it might be difficult to work with it? There are some questions about its completeness.
14:37:58 <Neha> matatk: I will add these points from PaulG to comments section
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14:39:02 <Neha> janina: what is the status of this particular proposal?
14:40:04 <Neha> matatk: Why do they behavior as well as role I can think of , but not sure about ARIA role
14:41:52 <Neha> matatk: link is shared for OpenUI in zoom which is already shared on irc
14:43:15 <matatk> subtopic: [css-anchor-position] Enable scroll position change for focused elements within anchored content
14:43:25 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/263
14:44:44 <Neha> matatk: This will be added in TPAC agenda list. matatk reading description from issue
14:45:30 <matatk> example from OP: https://codepen.io/5t3ph/pen/abeGdeb
14:46:10 <Neha> matatk: PaulG have you come across this one?
14:46:37 <Neha> PaulG: It has been a while, trying to recall
14:46:48 <Neha> matatk: I may have redefined this post
14:47:22 <matatk> s/I may have redefined this post/I may need to read into it when not on-the-fly/
14:47:36 <janina> regrets+ Gottfried_Zimmerman
14:48:36 <Neha> matatk: We can take a look at offline
14:49:17 <Neha> Tiffany: I will take a look and I could reproduce the error
14:50:05 <Neha> Tiffany showed issue by sharing screen
14:50:49 <Neha> matatk: It is saying it is a bug specs but can it be bug in the browser?
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14:52:31 <Neha> janina: If it is not spec bug it is out of scope
14:53:57 <Neha> PaulG: If broswers are using similar algorithm I think Fredik is right this is just with Blink
14:54:46 <Neha> matatk: can we add a new attribute for this ?
14:55:13 <Neha> zakim, end the meeting
14:55:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been PaulG, janina, Roy_Ruoxi, Fazio, IrfanA, Sheri_B-H, Eric_hind, JenStrickland, matatk, Dr_Keith, Neha, Demelza, mike_beganyi, tsaulter,
14:55:17 <Zakim> ... Fredrik, chiace, Glenda
14:55:17 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:55:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/22-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:55:24 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Neha; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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