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16:00:01 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
16:00:24 <Lisa> kirkwood (~kirkwood@6c65f1b9.public.cloak) has joined the channel
16:00:24 <Lisa> 18:01 <Lisa> agenda+ time clocks
16:00:24 <Lisa> 18:01 * Zakim notes agendum 6 added
16:00:24 <Lisa> 18:02 <Lisa> next item
16:00:25 <Lisa> 18:02 * Zakim thinks agendum 1 -- scribe -- taken up [from Lisa]
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16:00:25 <Lisa> 18:02 <julierawe> present+
16:00:26 <Lisa> 18:02 <Lisa> scribe: Abi
16:00:26 <Lisa> 18:03 <kirkwood> present+
16:00:26 <Lisa> 18:03 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.8zemqdwbcwtr
16:00:27 <Lisa> 18:03 <Abi> Lisa: Reminding everyone to please sign up to scribe in future meetings
16:00:27 <Lisa> 18:03 <Lisa> next item
16:00:27 <Lisa> 18:03 * Zakim thinks agendum 2 -- Is everyone getting emails -- taken up [from Lisa]
16:00:28 <Lisa> 18:04 <Abi> Lisa: Reminder about clock changes. Europe changing this weekend. USA the week after.
16:00:28 <Lisa> 18:04 <julierawe> UK changes clocks last Sunday in October
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16:00:29 <Lisa> 18:04 <LenB> persent+
16:00:29 <Lisa> 18:04 <julierawe> US changes clocks first Sunday in November
16:00:29 <Lisa> 18:05 <Abi> Lisa: This call is attached to Boston time. For those not in USA, meeting will probably be an hour different (later?) next week. Should be taken care of in W3C calendar but make sure to update in personal calendars.
16:00:30 <Lisa> 18:05 <julierawe> Israel changes clocks October 26th?
16:00:30 <Lisa> 18:06 <julierawe> UK and Israel change clocks Oct 26th. US doesn't change until Nov 2nd.
16:00:30 <Lisa> 18:08 <Abi> Lisa: Concerned that some people are not getting all of the emails relating to this call.
16:00:31 <Lisa> 18:08 <Abi> Everyone in this call confirmed they have received all emails
16:00:31 <Lisa> 18:09 <Lisa> next item
16:00:31 <Lisa> 18:09 * Zakim thinks agendum 3 -- WCAG conformance -- taken up [from Lisa]
16:00:32 <Lisa> 18:09 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1DlDxp8MCYXj3RWnFCCz13zsmM2fV4Wf8NbECKogdul8/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p
16:00:32 <Lisa> 18:10 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1DlDxp8MCYXj3RWnFCCz13zsmM2fV4Wf8NbECKogdul8/edit?slide=id.g385cbdb7058_0_223#slide=id.g385cbdb7058_0_223
16:00:32 <Lisa> 18:14 <Abi> Julie: Update on AG meetings. New conformance levels for WCAG 3 will be very different to what we're familiar with. Instead of A, AA, AAA, there will be Bronze, Silver, Gold. The new conformance model requires you to meet all foundational requirements plus 10-20% of supplemental requirements to reach the minimum tier (Bronze). The
16:00:33 <Lisa> supplemental
16:00:33 <Lisa> 18:14 <Abi> requirements can be hard to test. What can we do to ensure that the COGA requirements are represented here? See slide 7 in the deck for the new conformance levels.
16:00:33 <Lisa> 18:14 <Lisa> q+
16:00:34 <Lisa> 18:14 * Zakim sees Lisa on the speaker queue
16:00:34 <Lisa> 18:15 <Abi> Julie: A survey will be sent out, possibly tomorrow. Encouraging everyone to respond. This will be discussed in the AG meeting tomorrow.
16:00:34 <Lisa> 18:17 <Abi> Julie: 2/3 of current WCAG requirements are foundational requirements. The number of foundational requirements may be reduced in the new requirements. We need to make sure COGA remains well-represented.
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16:00:35 <Lisa> 18:17 <Jan> present+
16:00:35 <Lisa> 18:18 <Lisa> q?
16:00:36 <Lisa> 18:18 * Zakim sees Lisa on the speaker queue
16:00:36 <Lisa> 18:19 <julierawe> How to ensure equitable representation in the foundational requirements?
16:00:36 <Lisa> 18:19 <Abi> Lisa: We need the foundational requirements to be equitable between disability groups.
16:00:37 <Lisa> 18:21 <Abi> Julie: The question of equitable representation becomes tricky when some groups have very few requirements and others have many
16:00:37 <Lisa> 18:25 <Abi> Gareth asked how would you gauge on whether the percentage should be 10% or 20%
16:00:37 <Lisa> 18:26 <kirkwood> q+
16:00:38 <Lisa> 18:26 * Zakim sees Lisa, kirkwood on the speaker queue
16:00:38 <Lisa> 18:26 <Abi> Julie answered that she thinks that to meet Bronze, you have to meet all foundational requirements plus x% of the group of supplemental requirements and assertions. She thinks that they want to have a system to prevent people from picking all the requirements of the same type, e.g. all visual or all cognitive. It will need to be spread
16:00:38 <Lisa> out.
16:00:39 <Lisa> 18:26 <Lisa> ack me
16:00:39 <Lisa> 18:26 * Zakim sees kirkwood on the speaker queue
16:00:39 <Lisa> 18:27 <Lisa> q+
16:00:40 <Lisa> 18:27 * Zakim sees kirkwood, Lisa on the speaker queue
16:00:40 <Lisa> 18:27 <Abi> Gareth asks what prevents companies from doing a low-quality audit
16:00:40 <Lisa> 18:29 <Lisa> ack next
16:00:41 <Lisa> 18:29 * Zakim sees kirkwood at the head of the speaker queue
16:00:41 <Lisa> 18:29 * Zakim sees Lisa on the speaker queue
16:00:41 <Lisa> 18:29 <Abi> Julie answered that there are discussions about reporting,  e.g. maybe there will be an acceptable minimum scope to audit. We also don't want companies to be fearful and to be encouraged to be honest.
16:00:42 <Lisa> 18:30 <Lisa> +1 to john
16:00:42 <Lisa> 18:31 <GSlinn> FYI: from an audit POV I would focus on element, component, composition then page
16:00:42 <Lisa> 18:31 <Abi> John is very concerned with this approach. He thinks that we should be focusing on removing blockers for people will cognitive accessibility issues.
16:00:43 <Lisa> 18:33 <Abi> Lisa: Doesn't have a problem with foundational requirements, assuming they are blockers across all groups.
16:00:43 <Lisa> 18:34 <julierawe> Action item: Julie will share the AG survey with COGA when it is released tomorrow. Julie and Lisa will provide suggestions on how to ensure COGA is well represented in the conformance model.
16:00:43 <Lisa> 18:36 <Lisa> I dont have a problem with people focusing on a specific disability groups once foundational requirments included all the blooks
16:00:44 <Lisa> 18:36 <julierawe> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/fad52978-dc63-4427-90b9-e64dd31b0566/20251021T110000/
16:00:44 <Lisa> 18:36 <Lisa> ack next
16:00:44 <Lisa> 18:36 * Zakim sees Lisa at the head of the speaker queue
16:00:45 <Lisa> 18:36 * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
16:00:45 <Lisa> 18:36 <GSlinn> thank you
16:00:45 <Lisa> 18:36 <Lisa> next item
16:00:46 <Lisa> 18:36 * Zakim thinks agendum 4 -- Helping people engage with coga - coga buddies  (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/14LeA2LCa6sEotMtBhAOM_jMgyaSgjsEw8dYUzctECiw/edit?tab=t.0) -- taken up
16:00:46 <Lisa> 18:36 <julierawe> Everyone is welcome to join tomorrow's AG meeting at 11am ET Boston time to participate in the conformance discussion. Here is the calendar link: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/fad52978-dc63-4427-90b9-e64dd31b0566/20251021T110000/
16:00:46 <Lisa> 18:36 * Zakim ... [from Lisa]
16:00:47 <Lisa> 18:37 <julierawe> Lisa reminder that I have to leave today's meeting early. I will log off by 11:40.
16:00:47 <Lisa> 18:37 <Abi> Lisa: COGA buddies - people who have been part of COGA for at least 6 months can mentor newbies. Is this something we want to pursue?
16:00:47 <Lisa> 18:37 <Lisa> do we want coga buddies
16:00:48 <Lisa> 18:38 <Abi> Gareth does not want a COGA buddy
16:00:48 <Lisa> 18:38 <GSlinn> 0
16:00:48 <Lisa> 18:38 <Abi> q+
16:00:49 <Lisa> 18:38 * Zakim sees Abi on the speaker queue
16:00:49 <Lisa> 18:38 <Lisa> ack next
16:00:49 <Lisa> 18:38 * Zakim sees Abi at the head of the speaker queue
16:00:50 <Lisa> 18:38 * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
16:00:50 <Lisa> 18:39 <LenB> Happy to be a buddy.
16:00:50 <Lisa> 18:39 <Abi> COGA buddies - someone to help with orientation and action items
16:00:51 <Lisa> 18:40 <julierawe> I have to drop—thanks, everybody!
16:00:51 <Lisa> 18:41 <Jan> +1
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16:00:52 <Lisa> 18:41 <Lisa> Abi would have found that helpful
16:00:52 <Lisa> 18:41 <GSlinn> 0
16:00:52 <Lisa> 18:42 <Abi> Len would have found it helpful
16:00:53 <Lisa> 18:42 <Abi> John would have found it helpful
16:00:53 <Lisa> 18:43 <Abi> John thinks its a good idea for accelerating participation
16:00:53 <Lisa> 18:43 <kirkwood> where stuff is!
16:00:54 <Lisa> 18:43 <Jan> How to effectively use IRC
16:00:54 <Lisa> 18:44 <Lisa> links,
16:00:54 <Lisa> 18:44 <kirkwood> calendaring!
16:00:55 <Lisa> 18:44 <Abi> Len: Would have been helpful for setting up the calendar
16:00:55 <Lisa> 18:44 <Abi> Lisa: We should try to set it up
16:00:55 <Lisa> 18:45 <Jan> Understanding group dynamics and that there are lots of people in the group with lived experience with cognitive disabilities - this can sometimes make the meetings spicy
16:00:56 <Lisa> 18:45 <Abi> Lisa: Some people will need more time and support than others. Try it for 6 weeks, then maybe change to someone else.
16:00:56 <Lisa> 18:46 <Abi> LIsa: Commitment would be for 6 weeks so people are not over-burdened
16:00:56 <Lisa> 18:46 <Abi> Len: People who are knew to W3C will need more support than those already familiar
16:00:57 <Lisa> 18:46 <Abi> *new
16:00:57 <Lisa> 18:47 <Lisa> next item
16:00:57 <Lisa> 18:47 * Zakim thinks agendum 5 -- Helping people engage with coga Is the new structure helping? Outstanding problems?   (see
16:00:58 <Lisa> 18:47 * Zakim ... https://docs.google.com/document/d/14LeA2LCa6sEotMtBhAOM_jMgyaSgjsEw8dYUzctECiw/edit?tab=t.0) -- taken up [from Lisa]
16:00:58 <Lisa> 18:47 <Abi> Lisa: Next item - helping people engage
16:00:58 <Lisa> 18:50 <Abi> Lisa: Referring to the "coga Action items" Google doc - pointed out that information has been added there. We also have a new a Google sheet "coga actions" and each group has its own tab.
16:00:59 <Lisa> 18:50 <Abi> Also changed the subgroups to Research and Guidance.
16:00:59 <Lisa> 18:51 <Abi> Lisa: Have these resources helped? Is more needed?
16:00:59 <Lisa> 18:51 <Abi> +1
16:01:00 <Lisa> 18:51 <Lisa> agenda?
16:01:00 <Lisa> 18:51 * Zakim sees 2 items remaining on the agenda:
16:01:01 <Lisa> 18:51 * Zakim 5. Helping people engage with coga Is the new structure helping? Outstanding problems?   (see
16:01:01 <Lisa> 18:51 * Zakim ... https://docs.google.com/document/d/14LeA2LCa6sEotMtBhAOM_jMgyaSgjsEw8dYUzctECiw/edit?tab=t.0) [from Lisa]
16:01:01 <Lisa> 18:51 * Zakim 6. time clocks [from Lisa]
16:01:02 <Lisa> 18:53 <Abi> Lisa added a new tab to the Google doc "coga Action items" with the list of calls. their names, and their times
16:01:02 <Lisa> 18:56 <Abi> Abi pointed out that the meeting names are not updated automatically in our personal calendars. Possibly need to export again.
16:01:02 <Lisa> 18:56 <Abi> Lisa will add changing the name of "COGA Subgroup Call" to a more meaningful name to her to do list.
16:01:03 <Lisa> 18:58 <Abi> Lisa: We'll touch base on this on a monthly basis
16:01:03 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/20-coga-minutes.html Lisa