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16:04:48 <ora> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:04:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/16-rdf-star-minutes.html ora
16:05:00 <ora> chair+
16:05:13 <ora> Meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG
16:05:19 <gtw> present+
16:05:21 <niklasl> present+
16:05:31 <draggett> present+
16:05:55 <ora> present+
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16:06:38 <AndyS> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/11e4d020-9c58-4fff-83c5-37c9e2502295/20251016T120000/#agenda
16:06:38 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:06:38 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/10/09-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:06:38 <agendabot> agenda+ Horizontal review comments -> 2 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/180 -> 3 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/181
16:06:39 <agendabot> agenda+ What's next in the queue?
16:06:39 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
16:06:49 <draggett> ora: any changes to the agenda? [no]
16:07:15 <Tpt> present+
16:07:15 <ora> Zakim, next item
16:07:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/10/09-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:07:19 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes public
16:07:19 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', pchampin.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:07:44 <draggett> Topic: Approval of last week's minutes
16:08:02 <draggett> ora: any concerns?
16:08:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/16-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
16:08:17 <pchampin> +0 (was absent)
16:08:19 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve last week's minutes
16:08:22 <ora> +1
16:08:26 <Souri> +1
16:08:29 <lisp> +1
16:08:29 <AZ> +1
16:08:36 <gtw> +1
16:08:41 <niklasl> +1
16:08:57 <Tpt> +1
16:08:59 <AndyS> scribe: draggett
16:09:14 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes
16:09:19 <draggett> Minutes approved.
16:09:54 <ora> regrets: ktk
16:10:13 <ora> regrets+ tl
16:10:47 <pchampin> this should use standard assignment operators, =, += :->
16:10:52 <pchampin> s|this should use standard assignment operators, =, += :->|
16:11:19 <ora> zakim, next item
16:11:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Horizontal review comments -> 2 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/180 -> 3 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/181 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:11:24 <niklasl> regrets+ fsasaki
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16:11:28 <niklasl> regrets+ pfps
16:11:40 <doerthe> present+
16:11:49 <pchampin> also https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/182
16:11:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/182 -> Issue 182 Proposed response to the A11y checklist for the RDF specifications (by pchampin)
16:12:24 <draggett> pchampin: created a page with a summary of the proposed response
16:13:08 <draggett> ora: any comments for discussion now?
16:13:21 <pchampin> q+
16:13:27 <ora> ack pchampin
16:13:30 <draggett> Ora: the TAG uses a form to gather responses
16:14:02 <draggett> pchampin: mostly factual questions...
16:14:37 <draggett> The TAG recommends groups provide an explainer for people outside of the group
16:15:11 <draggett> pchampin: we could re-use the primer
16:15:12 <AndyS> s/The TAG/... The Tag/
16:16:27 <draggett> ora: making sure the primer is sufficient will benefit all of us when it comes to questions
16:17:13 <draggett> The Tag asks if they reviewed a previous version of RDF.
16:17:42 <draggett> pchampin: RDF 1.2 is. new spec
16:18:42 <draggett> The Tag probably reviewed RDF 1.1 when it came out
16:19:14 <draggett> pchampin: do we point the Tag and the part of the spec dealing with changes since RDF 1.1?
16:19:20 <Souri> +1 to summarize
16:19:24 <draggett> s/and/to/
16:19:55 <draggett> We agree on updating that section
16:19:56 <niklasl> +1 to short summary also in the Changes section
16:20:33 <ora> zakim, next item
16:20:33 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- What's next in the queue? -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:20:40 <pchampin> action: pchampin to add a summary of the main changes since RDF 1.1 in rdf-concepts
16:20:48 <gb> Created -> action #183 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/183
16:21:49 <pchampin> q+
16:21:54 <ora> ack pchampin
16:21:58 <draggett> ora: for the queue, work on primer and schema
16:22:16 <draggett> pchampin: RDF interop isn't yet at CR
16:22:22 <AndyS> RDF/XML has all the changes needed.
16:22:52 <draggett> pchampin: I would request the WG to publish an update
16:23:19 <draggett> ora: who is the editor?
16:23:25 <draggett> pchampin: me
16:24:04 <pchampin> https://w3c.github.io/rdf-interop/spec/
16:24:44 <draggett> ora: people will need a little time to re-read the document, so we should discuss this next week
16:24:48 <niklasl> q+
16:24:53 <ora> ack niklasl
16:25:34 <draggett> niklasl: also the document I've been working on ...
16:25:51 <draggett> ora: should we merge the two documents?
16:26:02 <draggett> niklasl: yes, that is my preference
16:26:04 <niklasl> https://niklasl.github.io/rdf-struct-patterns/spec/
16:26:29 <AndyS> q+
16:26:34 <ora> ack AndyS
16:26:36 <draggett> ora: what do we think?
16:26:57 <draggett> AndyS: for me it doesn't really fall into the scope of interoperability
16:27:08 <draggett> niklasl: yes, it is more about design patterns
16:27:41 <draggett> AndyS: no harm in having 2 different Notes
16:28:18 <pchampin> +1 their scopes are separate enough
16:29:00 <draggett> ora: I've no strong feelings as long as we succeed in providing good explanations
16:30:21 <draggett> AndyS: we need a good landing page
16:31:21 <draggett> Ora: AndyS you said the RDF/XML document is good
16:31:47 <draggett> I would like to throw that document into the bundle to be published
16:32:14 <pchampin> q+ to ask if we have tests for RDF/XML new features?
16:32:28 <ora> ack pchampin
16:32:28 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to ask if we have tests for RDF/XML new features?
16:32:31 <draggett> ora lists the documents he is aware of and asks what else?
16:33:04 <draggett> pchampin: do we we have tests for RDF/XML new features?  It looks like we do
16:33:20 <draggett> AndyS: yes
16:33:36 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/tree/main/rdf/rdf12/rdf-xml
16:33:50 <niklasl> q+
16:33:55 <ora> ack niklasl
16:34:37 <ora> Next wave: Primer, Schema, RDF/XML, Interop, TriG
16:34:59 <draggett> Andy: also Nquads and Turtle
16:35:35 <draggett> ora: yes
16:36:10 <draggett> AndyS: we could group them into syntax and explainers
16:36:45 <niklasl> q+
16:36:56 <ora> ack niklasl
16:37:02 <niklasl> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-common/issues/14
16:37:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-common/issues/14 -> Issue 14 Enable Github pages on this repository to load by URL rather than local copies (by niklasl)
16:37:30 <draggett> niklasl: we might want to deal with this issue as soon as we can
16:37:57 <draggett> ora: thoughts?
16:38:12 <draggett> pchampin: that is a good idea, I will try to make a pull request ...
16:39:43 <draggett> niklasl: offers to help with thsi
16:39:52 <draggett> s/thsi/this/
16:40:25 <draggett> Topic: Identifying issues to solve before CR
16:40:46 <draggett> ora: where are we with all the editor's notes?
16:41:09 <draggett> pchampin: the only blocker is the RDF interop doc we discussed earlier
16:41:17 <pchampin> q+
16:41:18 <draggett> AndyS: ???
16:41:25 <ora> ack pchampin
16:41:50 <draggett> pchampin: I have an issue with PR 76 on Ntriples
16:42:12 <AndyS> q+
16:42:23 <ora> ack AndyS
16:42:47 <draggett> AndyS: think it is worthwhile getting the mechanism in now
16:42:59 <pchampin> q+
16:43:21 <ora> ack pchampin
16:43:34 <draggett> pchampin: agree it is too early to set this in stone
16:44:04 <draggett> a tab-separated profile would make sense ...
16:45:16 <AndyS> I'm OK with a profile URI for canonical forms.
16:46:01 <draggett> ora: this has been around for a while, is it ready to merge?
16:46:23 <draggett> pchampin: I will prepare further for next week's call
16:46:58 <draggett> AndyS: it would be better to merge so we can review the changes in context
16:47:10 <draggett> (others agree)
16:47:36 <draggett> pchampin: I need to update the change log too
16:48:19 <draggett> ora: anything else for today?
16:48:37 <draggett> ora: where are we with the IRI stuff?
16:48:50 <draggett> AndyS: I need to prepare something
16:49:05 <pchampin> AndyS, if there's anything I can to to help, let me know
16:50:07 <draggett> ora: what about the interpolation lemma?
16:50:11 <lisp> q+
16:50:45 <lisp> q-
16:50:51 <draggett> lisp: we're nearly there
16:51:34 <draggett> s/lisp/Jane/
16:51:53 <pchampin> s/Jane/doerthe
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16:53:03 <pchampin> q+
16:53:04 <draggett> ora: we're going to see a lot more people commenting on RDF 1.2, and I would hate our work to be misrepresented
16:53:13 <ora> ack pchampin
16:53:43 <draggett> pchampin: a few of us are preparing a tutorial for the XXX conference
16:53:57 <ora> s/XXX/ISWC
16:54:39 <draggett> ora: we can learn from the questions after the tutorial
16:55:13 <draggett> rrsagent, make minutes
16:55:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/16-rdf-star-minutes.html draggett
16:55:26 <TallTed> present+
16:56:06 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/10/09-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:56:08 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/10/23-rdf-star-minutes.html
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17:01:56 <TallTed> s/Topic: Approval of last week's minutes//
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17:03:02 <TallTed> s/a tab-separated profile would make sense/... a tab-separated profile would make sense/
17:03:40 <TallTed> s/The Tag asks if they reviewed a previous version of RDF/... The Tag asks if they reviewed a previous version of RDF/
17:03:53 <TallTed> s/The Tag probably reviewed RDF 1.1 when it came out/... The Tag probably reviewed RDF 1.1 when it came out/
17:04:14 <TallTed> s/I would like to throw that document into the bundle to be published/... I would like to throw that document into the bundle to be published/
17:04:50 <TallTed> s/ora lists the documents he is aware of and asks what else/ora: lists the documents he is aware of and asks what else/
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