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12:54:54 <Lisa> Q?
12:54:54 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:01:11 <Lisa> agenda?
13:02:12 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ou0f7XCc5nRLhZD462OP5DA-NHqql2YSC8__lncIuxQ/edit?gid=782561551#gid=782561551
13:21:28 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/guide/manual-of-style/#ref-section
13:21:42 <Lisa> [XML1]
13:21:42 <Lisa> Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fourth Edition), T. Bray, J. Paoli, E. Maler, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen, F. Yergeau, Editors. World Wide Web Consortium, 16 August 2006, edited in place 29 September 2006. This edition of the XML 1.0 Recommendation is https://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816/. The latest edition of XML 1.0 is available at
13:21:42 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/xml/.
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13:22:06 <julierawe> PRESENT+
13:22:16 <Lisa> [XML1]
13:22:16 <Lisa> Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fourth Edition), T. Bray, J. Paoli, E. Maler, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen, F. Yergeau, Editors. World Wide Web Consortium, 16 August 2006, edited in place 29 September 2006. This edition of the XML 1.0 Recommendation is https://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816/. The latest edition of XML 1.0 is available at
13:22:16 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/xml/.
13:22:22 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/guide/manual-of-style/#ref-section
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13:22:31 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/guide/manual-of-style/#ref-section
13:22:31 <Eric_hind> present+
13:22:38 <Lisa> [XML1]
13:22:38 <Lisa> Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fourth Edition), T. Bray, J. Paoli, E. Maler, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen, F. Yergeau, Editors. World Wide Web Consortium, 16 August 2006, edited in place 29 September 2006. This edition of the XML 1.0 Recommendation is https://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816/. The latest edition of XML 1.0 is available at
13:22:38 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/xml/.
13:31:54 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit?gid=1686096268#gid=1686096268
13:41:07 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18rqamyGgYF1DAUHLhsXmR20FtN9AQSaPc9zpFNN1xgM/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0#heading=h.527yvnol81gl
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13:43:20 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0
13:43:50 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18rqamyGgYF1DAUHLhsXmR20FtN9AQSaPc9zpFNN1xgM/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0#heading=h.527yvnol81gl
13:47:21 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.kxpt0yrvdco6
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14:58:37 <julierawe> zakim, start meeting
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14:58:39 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:44 <julierawe> Meeting: COGA guidance subgroup call
14:59:48 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
14:59:56 <julierawe> date: 16 Oct 2025
15:00:14 <julierawe> clear agenda
15:00:22 <julierawe> agenda+ WCAG 3 October exercise
15:00:32 <julierawe> agenda+ WCAG conformance discussion
15:00:37 <julierawe> present+
15:09:20 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:09:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- WCAG 3 October exercise -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:09:27 <julierawe> Exercise instructions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18H490Ls11P5YQHPIhdwf5zFfoM0EW4YjTwrcR0mukMA/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.9ym6naegkv8f
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15:22:27 <julierawe> Part of this exercise is to see if people understand the requirements.
15:22:58 <julierawe> Part of this is also to get people to think about whether they understand how to test if a particular site or app is meeting the requirement.
15:23:39 <julierawe> Gareth said sometimes there wasn't enough information to understand the reuquirements as currently written.
15:23:59 <julierawe> Charli As I go through it, I am trying to think about small companies as well as big companies.
15:30:07 <julierawe> LenB has found the exercise helpful, but often finds himself second-guessing his pass/fail judgments.
15:30:39 <julierawe> LenB I have spent a lot of time going through the assertions.
15:35:37 <julierawe> Charli A small business owner may not know if Wix or another content management system is using CSS, etc.
15:36:43 <julierawe> kirkwood Good point. The framing of what shoes are you putting on during this exercise.
15:37:38 <julierawe> Gareth I have an engineering background. I was looking to see if the wording serving a wider net than engineers, such as a person using a Wix templated website.
15:38:15 <julierawe> Gareth: When talking about setting a pointer to a default, we have to decide who our audience is.
15:42:26 <julierawe> julierawe We need to work on the balance of keeping the normative doc streamlined but have enough informative/supporting docs to help beginners understand it.
15:43:13 <julierawe> Charli Does WCAG 3 have any beginners working on drafting it?
15:46:22 <julierawe> Gareth: I read the technical information and think is this open to misinterpretation?
15:48:04 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:48:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- WCAG conformance discussion -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:48:27 <julierawe> AG is talking conformance models, and  put together an overview deck: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18H490Ls11P5YQHPIhdwf5zFfoM0EW4YjTwrcR0mukMA/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.9ym6naegkv8f
15:48:57 <julierawe> Minutes from last week's AG meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/10/14-ag-minutes.html
15:49:33 <julierawe> Overview deck (correct link): https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1DlDxp8MCYXj3RWnFCCz13zsmM2fV4Wf8NbECKogdul8/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p
16:02:38 <julierawe> Look at slide 7. Each level says meet "all foundational requirements." The big question is how do we make sure groups don't get discriminated against?
16:04:52 <julierawe> Conformance discussion will continue at the next AG meeting on Tuesday, October 21st, at 11 am ET. Please join if you can, thanks!
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