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12:49:18 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:49:30 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting
12:49:36 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
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12:49:58 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI.
12:50:07 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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12:59:23 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
12:59:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Accessibility of Machine Learning and Generative AI. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:02:28 <scott_h> Janina, Scott and Bryan had good conversation
13:02:43 <scott_h> worked out how to move forward
13:03:28 <scott_h> janina: top priority, ready to do updates
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13:04:21 <scott_h> zakim, next item
13:04:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:05:13 <scott_h> jason: onoging discussion on how end users may or may not be able to determine quality of accessibility
13:05:44 <stacey> scribe+
13:06:04 <stacey> potential names for the phenomenon:
13:06:04 <stacey> Quality Perception Gap
13:06:04 <stacey> Accessibility Verification Gap
13:06:04 <stacey> Accessibility Trust Dilemma
13:06:05 <stacey> Accommodation Paradox
13:06:17 <scott_h> stacey: quality perception
13:06:21 <scott_h> accessibility verificiaton gaps
13:06:39 <scott_h> accessibility paradox
13:06:41 <janina> scribe+
13:06:47 <janina> From previous conversations:
13:06:55 <janina> accessibility media validation paradox
13:08:10 <scott_h> jason: any preferences?
13:08:52 <scott_h> stacey: trust dilemma - just need ot put faith into it
13:09:05 <scott_h> scott: my favourite to
13:10:11 <scott_h> jason: trsut coudl be too much or not enough
13:10:35 <scott_h> janina: may need to use several
13:11:31 <scott_h> jason: on substance, perosn may or may not ahve a good understanidng of their accessibility needs,
13:11:48 <scott_h> distinciton is they can't tell how well tehir needs are met by what is being provided
13:12:51 <scott_h> ma be about to get a sense of quality by contextual cues, but only truly now if you new what the inaccessible information was but can't
13:13:35 <stacey> Another option: Accommodation Quality Gap or Paradox
13:14:19 <scott_h> accessibility trust paradox
13:14:31 <scott_h> content trust paradox
13:14:57 <scott_h> jason: see if we can identify shortlist
13:18:32 <scott_h> scott: dicuss preference on list
13:18:47 <scott_h> janina: present to APA as well
13:21:23 <janina> [Explainer for the proposal](https://github.com/webplatformco/explainers/blob/main/html-element-references/README.md)
13:21:54 <janina> [Alice's summary of the discussion and concerns](https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10143#issuecomment-3195739405)
13:22:54 <janina> Get to your calendar with this link:
13:22:55 <janina> https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/calendar/
13:27:21 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
13:27:21 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, janina, John_Paton, stacey
13:27:23 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:27:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/15-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
13:27:31 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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