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14:58:06 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
15:00:32 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
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15:00:47 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
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15:03:41 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
15:03:41 <Fazio> Agenda+ Publication update
15:03:44 <JeffAdams-UN> present+
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15:05:00 <JeffAdams-UN> zakim, next item
15:05:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:05:06 <Sheri_BH> present+
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15:07:04 <JeffAdams-UN> JeffAdams-UN: Presenting maturity model to one of his clients next week with the hopes of filling it out with them as part of the client's work
15:07:50 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: Has also worked with one of her clients in Australia who has already engaged with the model and found it very easy to work with
15:08:25 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: Has asked this client for an endorsement as well.
15:09:28 <JeffAdams-UN> zkaim, next item
15:09:43 <JeffAdams-UN> Zakim, next item
15:09:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Publication update -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:11:40 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: Over the past week have heard about concerns that need to be addressed and believe those have been updated, including updates to the spreadsheet (it's been deprecated to appendix). Sheri and David also draft a "how to use" bullet list to explain it better.
15:12:37 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: Concern was that spreadsheet didn't align to the model
15:14:01 <janina> q+
15:14:16 <JeffAdams-UN> ack janina
15:14:17 <jkline> queue+
15:14:53 <Fazio> Spreadsheet issue: https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/345
15:14:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/345 -> Issue 345 Repetition in 'how to evaluate...' (by iadawn)
15:15:24 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: Need to consider this confusion around the spreadsheet because it's associated with the doc early on, and it talks about scoring. Suggests to pull it from what we publish and untangle this issue.
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15:15:59 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: This is why it was moved to appendix.
15:16:02 <Sheri_B-H> q+
15:16:19 <janina> q?
15:16:22 <JeffAdams-UN> ack jkline
15:16:25 <janina> ack jk
15:17:00 <JeffAdams-UN> jkline: was this agreed to in the call?
15:17:16 <jkline> queue+
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15:17:33 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Sheri_B-H
15:17:45 <CharlesL> present+
15:18:19 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Doesn't agree to it being in appendix. It's already in a spreadsheet and separate document. People don't read appendix.
15:19:07 <janina> q?
15:19:17 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Feels adding how-to language was al that was needed
15:19:22 <JeffAdams-UN> ack
15:19:24 <janina> ack sh
15:19:26 <Neha> q+
15:19:28 <janina> ack jk
15:19:31 <JeffAdams-UN> ack jkline
15:20:13 <CharlesL> q+
15:20:50 <Sheri_B-H> q+
15:20:53 <JeffAdams-UN> jkline: Feels it should go back to the way it was. The spreadsheet can't be disassociated.
15:20:57 <janina> ack ne
15:20:58 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Neha
15:21:09 <JeffAdams-UN> Neha: Is there going to be another review from Kevin?
15:21:37 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: The publication isn't going to be blocked by this issue.
15:21:49 <JeffAdams-UN> Neha: Suggests to put it back and see how people use it over time
15:21:53 <janina> ack ch
15:21:53 <JeffAdams-UN> ack CharlesL
15:22:02 <janina> q?
15:23:21 <JeffAdams-UN> CharlesL: Bennetech wouldn't have done anything if the spreadsheet wasn't there. It would've been too theoretical. Spreadsheet was a great starting point. Scoring can also be changed over time. Also has had good feedback from other orgs.
15:23:28 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Sheri_B-H
15:23:45 <janina> ack sh
15:23:48 <janina> q?
15:24:00 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Feels language change from "assessment tool" could work as well to clarify
15:24:01 <jkline> queue+
15:24:51 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: Can move back to where it was.
15:25:03 <CharlesL> q+
15:25:20 <Sheri_BH> q+
15:25:23 <janina> q?
15:25:30 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: Consensus seems to move it back, but can say more about how it connects to the document.
15:25:35 <janina> ack jk
15:25:38 <JeffAdams-UN> ack jkline
15:25:46 <Neha> q+
15:26:05 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: Making formal proposal to move spreadsheet back with all language in tact.
15:26:11 <JeffAdams-UN> ack CharlesL
15:26:32 <janina> ack ch
15:26:33 <JeffAdams-UN> CharlesL: Also proposed same, and have real resolution in minutes with voting
15:26:38 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Sheri_BH
15:26:39 <janina> ack sh
15:27:46 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_BH: Reading from text related to the spreadsheet that explains it.
15:27:51 <janina> ack ne
15:27:51 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Neha
15:28:29 <janina> q+
15:28:56 <JeffAdams-UN> Neha: Discussed that section of text that's part of editor's note and in the 2.4 section.
15:29:02 <jkline> queue+
15:29:19 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_BH: Looking at what's published in August update, but it seems it's changed since then.
15:29:32 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_BH: Seems that's already been managed in GitHub
15:29:38 <JeffAdams-UN> ack janina
15:30:29 <Neha> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/#assessment-template-excel
15:30:45 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: One way to manage these comments is to state this is one way to use the model, and it's how the team evaluated the model. There are other ways this could be manage.
15:30:52 <janina> ack ja
15:31:00 <JeffAdams-UN> ack jkline
15:31:06 <janina> ack jk
15:31:28 <Fazio> q+
15:32:08 <JeffAdams-UN> jkline: Read out section 2.4 text about the spreadsheet and felt it covered the description of the spreadsheet well.
15:32:09 <janina> q?
15:32:14 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Fazio
15:32:14 <janina> ack df
15:32:40 <Sheri_B-H> q+
15:32:58 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: We know what we think as task force, and if audience is giving objections we need to address those. Read out details about the spreadsheet and its usage.
15:33:27 <jkline> queue+
15:33:38 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: Thinks that linking from the "how to" should be done.
15:33:47 <janina> q?
15:34:08 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: Beleives that appendix is right place
15:34:10 <janina> ack sh
15:34:19 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Sheri_B-H
15:34:57 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Believes we need to look at the usage by people implementing it rather than theoretical
15:35:06 <JeffAdams-UN> ack jkline
15:35:07 <janina> ack jk
15:35:41 <JeffAdams-UN> jkline: Still have proposal on table. Also not sure what final language was for the tool. There's been 3 or 4 read in the meeting.
15:36:55 <janina> q?
15:37:33 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: Return the referenced Excel to its previous location in the document
15:39:23 <janina> +1
15:39:25 <CharlesL> +1
15:39:27 <Sheri_B-H> +1
15:39:30 <Neha> +1
15:39:34 <jkline> +1
15:39:39 <JeffAdams-UN> +1
15:39:46 <Fazio> -1
15:40:41 <JeffAdams-UN> RESOLUTION: Return the referenced Excel to its previous location in the document
15:40:51 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/15-maturity-minutes.html janina
15:43:38 <Neha> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/
15:44:26 <CharlesL> q+
15:44:35 <JeffAdams-UN> ack CharlesL
15:44:38 <janina> acl ch
15:45:32 <JeffAdams-UN> CharlesL: Issue in the spreadsheet that changes have been happening, but the change log hasn't been updated since in December 2024
15:45:33 <janina> q?
15:46:20 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: Will note in call for consensus is part of the editorial work we're doing?
15:47:22 <Sheri_B-H> q+
15:48:15 <janina> ack sh
15:48:15 <JeffAdams-UN> ack Sheri_B-H
15:49:14 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Proposes to create a overall update to change log to cover several months of work.
15:49:49 <JeffAdams-UN> Neha: Will update the change log
15:50:15 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: The APA Maturity Model Task Force has completed drafting its Accessibility Maturity Model (AMM) and requests that APA publish the draft currently at https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/ as a Working Group Note.
15:50:25 <CharlesL> +1
15:50:28 <Sheri_B-H> +1
15:50:29 <JeffAdams-UN> +1
15:50:30 <janina> +1
15:50:34 <Fazio> +1
15:50:35 <jkline> +1
15:50:58 <Neha> +1
15:51:14 <JeffAdams-UN> RESOLUTION: The APA Maturity Model Task Force has completed drafting its Accessibility Maturity Model (AMM) and requests that APA publish the draft currently at https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/ as a Working Group Note.
15:53:12 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: Outlined process for the CfC publication
15:57:54 <JeffAdams-UN> Zakim, end
15:57:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end', JeffAdams-UN
15:58:05 <JeffAdams-UN> Zakim, end meeting
15:58:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JeffAdams-UN, jkline, janina, Sheri_BH, Neha, CharlesL
15:58:07 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:58:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/15-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:58:15 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, JeffAdams-UN; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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