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14:51:10 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
14:51:10 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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14:52:40 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ How to handle display of the certifier report link: Issue #742
14:52:57 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Consider Question and Answer as a role: Issue #740
14:53:11 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Page source related issues:
14:53:28 <AvneeshSingh> agemda+ Any other business.
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15:05:48 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:05:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- How to handle display of the certifier report link: Issue #742 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:05:57 <MiiaK> present+
15:06:04 <CharlesL1> preset+
15:06:05 <CharlesL1> zakim, next item
15:06:05 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, CharlesL1
15:06:24 <gpellegrino> q+
15:06:34 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/742
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15:08:14 <George> Gregorio: Recaped the information in the issue.The problem is that different systems have different ways to show the link.
15:09:59 <George> The suggestion from matt is to use[string with link]
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15:10:22 <George> Gregorio: We may be overengineering this.
15:10:38 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:10:45 <gpellegrino> q-
15:11:36 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:11:40 <gpellegrino> scribe+
15:12:43 <gpellegrino> George: we may use something similar to markdown
15:12:45 <gpellegrino> q
15:12:47 <gpellegrino> q+
15:12:58 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:13:15 <CharlesL1> q+
15:13:47 <George> Gregorio: We already have this information. The question is how to identify the string versus the URL?
15:13:53 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:14:17 <George> Charles: We are overthink this.
15:14:24 <gpellegrino> +1
15:14:54 <George> We should just have the URL as something the user can bring up.
15:15:20 <MiiaK> q+
15:15:31 <George> Avneesh: We should have more than certifer report.
15:15:38 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:16:21 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:16:23 <George> Miik: Agrees with Charles.
15:17:47 <George> Avneesh: Decision: our recommendation is to apply the link to the whole sentence
15:17:55 <gpellegrino> the proposal is to make the whole string as a link
15:18:09 <gpellegrino> "For more information refer to the certifier's report" as a link
15:18:21 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:18:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Consider Question and Answer as a role: Issue #740 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:18:30 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/740
15:18:45 <George> Role for Question and answers.
15:19:32 <gpellegrino> George: we have a role for q-and-a
15:20:15 <gpellegrino> ... we don't have an individual question role
15:20:30 <gpellegrino> ... and an individual answer role
15:20:32 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:20:41 <gpellegrino> ... and people are looking for it
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15:21:13 <George> Avneesh: Matt said it was proposed in the past and rejected. Should we try again?
15:21:25 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:21:45 <LC> What would having a role for this do for people?
15:21:59 <gpellegrino> George:
15:22:05 <George> George:Answer is needed for workbooks.
15:22:15 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:22:22 <gpellegrino> George: it's needed for workbooks, without that it's difficult to make workbooks
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15:22:56 <George> George: APA people will say use a form with a lable.
15:23:06 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:23:12 <LC> What does having a role help with, though?
15:23:18 <George> Avneesh: We need to work on use cases before we propose it.
15:24:23 <Simon_M> I assume the idea is to help AT users work through exercises?
15:24:39 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:25:09 <Simon_M> present+
15:25:20 <George> Charles: JATS has semantics in this space. That is in JATS 1.4.
15:26:23 <gpellegrino> q+
15:26:32 <George> Vince: QTI, mentioned in the comments, has more sophisticated approach.
15:26:46 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:27:09 <CharlesL1> q+
15:27:36 <George> Gregorio:ED publishers have identified several roles that are missing. This was put in the PMWG issue.
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15:27:55 <George> Having an exercise role would be very useful.
15:28:00 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:28:12 <LC> Where are the links that were mentioned?
15:28:23 <George> Charles: We have doc-example. What would be the use case?
15:28:35 <gpellegrino> q+
15:29:27 <George> Charles: A student would want to get to the exercise and the read the question and then move  to the answer.
15:29:31 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:30:06 <LC> q+
15:30:25 <George> Gregorio: a stronger need.is that exercises are embedded in the text. We have no way of capturing the semantics of this type of content.
15:30:34 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:31:13 <George> Laura: Thinking of workbooks. would each of the thousands of items need a unique label?
15:32:17 <George> Laura Would a student then just get question, question, question, which is maaningless.
15:32:29 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:34:16 <George> Charles: It would be up to the AT to present the information.
15:34:42 <George> Laura: It could impact authoring practices.
15:35:00 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:35:16 <George> Avneesh: We need use cases and then figure out the path forward.
15:36:25 <George> Avneesh: We should put the use case in issue and can collect them there..
15:37:08 <George> Avneesh: We can have many use cases.
15:37:49 <George> Charles: Should we reach out to Mark Hakkinen and/or One Ed Tech. They will have use cases?
15:38:24 <George> Avneesh: We should send this to Mark.
15:38:26 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:38:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Page source related issues: -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:38:42 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/743
15:38:53 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/726
15:39:13 <George> Avneesh: Page source issues. Should we just close this?
15:41:27 <George> Charles: both can be closed and Charles will merge the PR.
15:47:34 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/09-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
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