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15:55:00 <AutomatedTester> Meeting: WebDriver Oct 2025
15:55:07 <AutomatedTester> chair: David Burns
15:56:02 <AutomatedTester> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebDriver/2025-10-BiDi
15:56:09 <AutomatedTester> scribe: David Burns
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16:02:47 <jgraham> RRSAgent: make minutes
16:02:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-webdriver-minutes.html jgraham
16:03:40 <jgraham> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebDriver/2025-10-BiDi
16:03:47 <AutomatedTester> topic: Data collection for cached reponses
16:03:58 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/issues/985
16:04:54 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: data collection for cached responses. the current spec is has that we get a stream from fetch but we don't have anything coming from the cached version
16:05:05 <sadym> q+
16:05:27 <AutomatedTester> ... my feeling is that we should consistently return data even if it doesnt go over the network
16:05:42 <AutomatedTester> ... or should we have it handle the cached version consistently?
16:05:44 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:05:49 <tidoust> present+
16:06:06 <jdescottes> q+
16:06:10 <AutomatedTester> sadym: could we start with WPT tests ? to verify that we have the same behaviour
16:06:12 <AutomatedTester> ack next
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16:06:29 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: we can, we have mozilla specific wpt test that does that
16:06:31 <blaze_apple> present+
16:06:53 <AutomatedTester> ... in chromium it does it for all where firefox doesnt do that for css or images
16:07:09 <AutomatedTester> ... we can have the spec to have it say to return a response text
16:07:10 <jgraham> q+
16:07:13 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:07:50 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: if the spec doesn't say that we should have the right response... i'm not sure what gecko is doing here
16:08:35 <AutomatedTester> ... we need to make it consistent as authors don't expect to have inconsistency here
16:08:40 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:09:02 <AutomatedTester> topic: Data collection for data scheme
16:09:18 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/issues/986
16:09:41 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: this is the same topic as the previous... we don't have a stream we can clone
16:10:23 <blaze_apple> q+
16:10:24 <AutomatedTester> ... we've updated Firefox to be similar to chrome. Are people happy for me to return a response body for data urls?
16:10:27 <AutomatedTester> ack next
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16:10:32 <sadym> q+
16:11:20 <AutomatedTester> blaze_apple: In general this is fine. What do we do if the page is navigated away... e.g. if the process dies or ...
16:11:24 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:11:53 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: we don't clean collected data. We currently do this with a queue
16:12:14 <AutomatedTester> ... and we can handle the situation when collectors are cleaned up
16:12:24 <AutomatedTester> ... but we don't do anything for navigation
16:12:51 <AutomatedTester> sadym: I wonder what selenium thinks about this?
16:12:54 <jimevans> q+
16:13:16 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:13:42 <AutomatedTester> jimevans: how does selenium feel about cached responses or when the navigation has happened?
16:13:49 <AutomatedTester> sadym: about data schema
16:14:20 <AutomatedTester> jimevans: I am of the opinion that we are doing network interception or of data
16:14:43 <AutomatedTester> ... whether it comes over any scheme we should be able to retrieve that data
16:14:53 <AutomatedTester> ... and I expect selenium users to think the same
16:14:56 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:15:42 <AutomatedTester> topic: Autofill trigger
16:15:57 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/pull/706
16:16:17 <jgraham> q+
16:16:21 <AutomatedTester> sadym: this PR has been sitting there and we need to have other vendors review so that we can unblock and get this landed
16:16:25 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:17:24 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I havent had time to look but I think the last time this was discussed and it needed changes but there doesn't appear to have been updated. I will need to re-read the PR
16:17:28 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:17:55 <AutomatedTester> topic: Pending Fetch spec changes
16:18:10 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/1540
16:18:34 <jgraham> q+
16:18:52 <AutomatedTester> sadym: we have a couple of pending PR changes. I wonder if we can get these ublocked and landed?
16:18:59 <AutomatedTester> s/ublocked/unblocked
16:19:04 <jdescottes> q+
16:19:08 <AutomatedTester> ... how can we make prgress on this?
16:19:10 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:19:10 <jgraham> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/issues/722
16:19:38 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I have linked the original issue that is blocked on fetch changes
16:20:12 <AutomatedTester> ... I think we reuse events and we can't tell the order properly
16:20:35 <AutomatedTester> ... when it was reviewed Anne he wasn't happy and we have made changes
16:21:14 <AutomatedTester> ... I am not sure if the new model is sufficient here and we need to make sure that it is before we can get it updated/landed
16:21:17 <AutomatedTester> q?
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16:22:04 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: nothing much to add. I will try settle on what we wanted and I will take jgraham's PR and update to get it landed
16:22:06 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:22:23 <AutomatedTester> topic: Preparing horizontal reviews on the way to Candidate Recommendation
16:22:33 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/issues/906
16:22:55 <AutomatedTester> tidoust: A meta issue has been raised to get this to CR
16:23:09 <AutomatedTester> ... I have started to get the a11y feedback
16:23:34 <AutomatedTester> ... for privacy and security, we don't have that section yet and we should get that added
16:23:53 <AutomatedTester> ... the classic webdriver spec has it and we might be able to copy and paste it
16:23:56 <jgraham> q+
16:24:06 <AutomatedTester> ... so how should we proceed?
16:24:09 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:24:36 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: for privacy and security, we use the classic spec as a starting point but we need to have it updated
16:25:41 <AutomatedTester> ... the other thing from before we didn't have a11y consideration but we might have i18n issues. Is that going block review?
16:26:09 <AutomatedTester> tidoust: I will ask the i18n group and we need to know how to handle error messages for example
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16:26:52 <AutomatedTester> ... I don't think we should block on this. I think should go for review and just highlight it and it's not a priority
16:27:36 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I think in practise that people are hard coding error messages in english but if people arent then that would be great
16:28:13 <AutomatedTester> ... the assumption I have is no one is doing it makes how we handle it simpler
16:28:31 <AutomatedTester> tidoust: I will draft the initial PR for the privacy and sec
16:28:43 <AutomatedTester> ... and I will get moving on the other reviews in the meantime
16:28:44 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:29:21 <AutomatedTester> topic: WPT for extra headers
16:30:02 <AutomatedTester> sadym: this is an area that i will start working on this after I finish the offline work unless someone else wants to pick this up?
16:30:06 <jdescottes> q+
16:30:11 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:30:37 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: sounds good from our side. it's not something we will be working on any time soon?
16:30:54 <AutomatedTester> sadym: do we want just custom headers or do we want standard headers
16:31:19 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I think we should do standard headers too incase there are interop issues there that we might be unaware of
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16:33:44 <jgraham> ack next
16:34:54 <jgraham> ack next
16:39:12 <jgraham> RRSAgent: make minutes
16:39:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-webdriver-minutes.html jgraham
16:39:19 <jgraham> Zakim, bye
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16:39:43 <jgraham> RRSAgent: bye
16:39:43 <RRSAgent> I see no action items