13:59:31 RRSAgent has joined #w3process 13:59:35 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-w3process-irc 13:59:39 zakim, start the meeting 13:59:40 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:59:41 Meeting: Revising W3C Process Community Group 13:59:55 chair: Brent 14:04:34 Ian has joined #w3process 14:05:10 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2025Oct/0000.html 14:05:13 Chair: Brent 14:05:16 Scribe: Ian 14:05:23 present+ Francois, Brent, Florian, Ian 14:05:44 Topic: Propose to Close Items 14:06:12 Brent: I have removed "Propose to Close" label to any issue where there was discussion since the previous call. 14:06:19 Florian: Please add agenda+ to such issues 14:06:50 q+ 14:07:07 q+ 14:07:32 q- 14:07:48 Brent: Issues that are important that we close will certainly be re-raised moving forward. 14:08:01 ack florian 14:08:01 ack Fl 14:08:51 florian: +1. I recently converted a "propose to transfer" to "propose to close" (Issue 948). It was a pubrules issue and was fixed. 14:10:23 florian: I'd rather we not close 903 yet until we've heard back from PSIG 14:10:32 (That one is no longer proposed to close) 14:11:32 PROPOSED: Close issues 1064, 1044, 1006, 963, 948, 946, 942, 933, 326 14:11:46 +1 14:11:48 +1 14:11:54 +1 14:11:55 +1 14:11:57 SO RESOLVED 14:12:05 ACTION: Brent to close the issues in GitHub 14:12:42 Topic: Agenda+ 14:12:43 https://github.com/w3c/process/issues?q=state%3Aopen%20label%3AAgenda%2B 14:13:24 https://github.com/w3c/process/pull/1047 14:14:19 Florian: Process today handles case of votes when 2 people on council with same affiliation. 14:15:05 ...in rare situations, there can be (temporarily) more than 2 people on council with same affiliation. 14:15:37 ...note that in a WG, if this arrives then company hierarchy can help sort it out. 14:15:50 ...but that's not an option in a Council (where people are not representing their companies). 14:16:12 ...proposal here is "if they can't agree their votes cancel each other." 14:16:38 Ian: Do votes happen secretly? 14:17:09 Florian: The vote happens in secret but there is some info shared about the results. The council report names who voted, and the vote totals. 14:19:48 Ian: Does cancellation affect quorum? 14:20:25 Florian: I don't think it affects quorum (and I don't think it should). 14:20:41 ...there is no strict sense of a quorum in a council 14:21:50 Ian: +1 to the proposal to this 14:21:56 RESOLVED: Merge the pull request 1047 14:22:01 https://github.com/w3c/process/issues/1040 14:23:05 Florian: The CEO's delegation of power to suspect covers W3C group chairs, but not Councils 14:24:21 ...the proposal is to update the Guide to name the council explicitly as in scope for suspensions 14:24:45 -> https://github.com/w3c/process/issues/1040#issuecomment-3356961175 proposal 14:25:28 PROPOSED: Transfer this issue to the Guide repo 14:25:30 +1 14:25:33 +1 14:25:35 +1 14:25:51 +1 14:25:52 SO RESOLVED 14:26:16 ACTION: Brent to transfer issue 1040 to the Guide repo 14:27:10 https://github.com/w3c/process/pull/1038 14:29:14 Florian: The ambiguity arises because an election is not a point in time. But this can be best addressed in the Guide, so this is a proposal to transfer. 14:30:42 Ian: My preference would be to clarify the understood meaning (start of election) in the process 14:31:28 Florian: I don't object to merging, but it's still interesting to have discussion in the Guide about when a chair might or might not start an election. 14:31:31 Brent: +1 to merging 14:31:41 +1 to merging 14:32:44 Ian: I don't think we have a lot of experience about starting/not starting election. I would hesitate to document good practice without much practice. 14:33:36 Francois: +1 to merging in process and waiting until a concrete problem arises before documenting good practice 14:34:32 RESOLVED: Merge 1038 14:34:41 ACTION: Brent to merge 1038 14:35:50 https://github.com/w3c/process/issues/1029 14:36:48 Florian: A case arose where a council addressed an FO and started work on a report when another FO was registered. 14:38:01 github-bot has joined #w3process 14:38:01 florian has joined #w3process 14:39:34 Florian: We could propose something to the AB or ask them to start thinking about it without a proposal from the CG. 14:44:10 Ian: I would suggest proposing an approach that favors continuity to the AB 14:44:22 Florian: It's reasonable to ask the AB but also I don't think we have to. 14:44:32 ...we could just handle it; it's not controversial 14:45:33 Francois: What causes a council to be disbanded? 14:45:40 Florian: Right now, publishing a report. 14:47:02 ACTION: Florian to write up a proposal to address question of new FOs that arrive when a Council has nearly finished or finished recently. 14:48:21 https://github.com/w3c/process/issues/914 14:49:24 Florian: The process used to mix "non-normative" and "informative" but now only says "non-normative" EXCEPT where "informative" is used intentionally to mean "carrying information" 14:50:09 ...there's one remaining case of "informative" to mean "non-normative" but it's generated by bikeshed. I've filed a bug with bikeshed so I think we can close 914 14:50:21 PROPOSED: Close 914 14:50:22 +1 14:50:26 +1 14:50:32 +1 14:50:37 So RESOLVED 14:51:02 https://github.com/w3c/process/issues/904 14:51:37 Florian: Idea here is to use registry as a tool to maintain a glossary. 14:52:19 ...this is not a process question per se; the AB can manage a registry 14:52:37 Francois: These terms are usually used in normative contexts (e.g., algorithms) 14:52:56 s/are usually/are sometimes/ 14:53:31 Florian: Things that are normative should be defined in a spec. The glossary should just be a way to find them. 14:53:44 q+ 14:54:41 PROPOSED: Transfer 904 to the AB 14:54:54 ack Ian 14:57:30 q+ 14:57:40 ack tidoust 14:57:49 Ian: Has a glossary ever been widely used? 14:58:02 Francois: We have a glossary (Webdex) gleaned from specifications 14:59:41 (We discuss whether transfer is needed) 14:59:45 PROPOSED: Close issue 14:59:46 +1 14:59:49 +1 14:59:49 +1 14:59:51 +1 15:00:27 Ian: Suggest link to webdex be included in the comment 15:00:50 Florian: We should also say "If people think a registry managed by the AB is the right thing to do, then we note that this is now possible." 15:01:04 ACTION: Brent to close issue 15:01:41 RRSAGENT, make minutes 15:01:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-w3process-minutes.html Ian 15:01:52 RRSAGENT, set logs public 15:47:05 TallTed has joined #w3process 17:15:48 Zakim has left #w3process 17:56:55 brent has joined #w3process 19:41:41 brent has joined #w3process 20:07:01 Ian has left #w3process 22:32:50 brent has joined #w3process