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14:55:11 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:55:22 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:55:34 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
14:57:39 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:57:39 <Fazio> Agenda+ GitHub Issue #226 Add an explanatory section on dimension goals and metrics
14:57:39 <Fazio> Agenda+ GitHub Issue #298 ICT is not widely known - definition doesn't really help
14:57:39 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #303 Governance and Strategy Gap
14:57:41 <Fazio> Agenda+ Triage Remaining Issues
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15:04:25 <Fazio> zakim, next item
15:04:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:04:58 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: want to try and get the Call for Consensus out by next week so it is out for TPAC
15:05:08 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: Kevin has converted his email into issues
15:05:28 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: some have already been discussed, others need to be addressed before we can do a call for consensus
15:05:45 <Sheri_BH> close item
15:05:51 <Sheri_BH> zakim, close this item
15:05:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:05:52 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:52 <Zakim> 2. GitHub Issue #226 Add an explanatory section on dimension goals and metrics [from Fazio]
15:06:01 <CharlesL> s/close item//
15:06:29 <Sheri_BH> fazio: This is a follow up issue from Jason
15:06:33 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/226
15:06:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/226 -> Issue 226 Add an explanatory section on dimension goals and metrics (by jasonjgw)
15:08:59 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: discussed ticket, this overlaps with one of Kevin's issue
15:09:05 <CharlesL> sheri: this seems like a big change, changing culture to Governance and oversite
15:10:49 <CharlesL> Oversight missing · Issue #348 · w3c/maturity-model
15:10:55 <Sheri_BH> Janina:What is missing from Oversign and Culture
15:10:55 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/348
15:10:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/348 -> Issue 348 Oversight missing (by iadawn)
15:12:09 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/341
15:12:10 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/341 -> Issue 341 Missing governance/policy (by iadawn)
15:12:26 <Sheri_BH> Janina: could rename it to oversight and governance
15:13:09 <CharlesL> Sheri: does Culture fit into Oversite and Governance?
15:13:30 <CharlesL> David: no, culture is throughout the other dimensions.
15:14:16 <CharlesL> Sheri: oversite requires governance.
15:14:32 <CharlesL> ... how to create policies etc.
15:15:12 <Sheri_BH> Janina: we should combine Jason and Kevin's issues
15:15:27 <CharlesL> ... I can put some things together and have this for next week.
15:15:30 <Sheri_BH> Sheri_BH: volunteered to draft extra content for that dimension
15:15:57 <Sheri_BH> Sheri_BH: the name should just be governance, as governance inherently requires oversight
15:17:27 <janina> q?
15:17:31 <CharlesL> Jeff: financial commitment.
15:18:40 <CharlesL> David: this is the main issue we need to address prior to CFC.
15:19:20 <Fazio> q?
15:19:22 <CharlesL> Sheri_BH: Review culture, reviewed section, we can sub in edited version from Jeff.
15:19:44 <CharlesL> Jeff: what do we need to do?
15:19:56 <CharlesL> janina: Sheri will mock something up.
15:20:14 <CharlesL> Jeff: we have 1 bullet item in a global location like what I drafted?
15:20:30 <CharlesL> Sheri_BH: Yes, an over all goal section with this new Governance section.
15:20:46 <CharlesL> ... we can edit it in a google doc then add it to our document.
15:21:59 <CharlesL> Jeff: a top section of document, and we leave the dimensions alone.
15:22:17 <CharlesL> Sheri_BH: if we abstract it out...
15:23:03 <CharlesL> jeff: we leave the line item in each dimension alone, and we create something overall
15:23:25 <Sheri_BH> Sheri_BH: I disagree with abstracting it out, then it isn't part of the scoring process
15:23:34 <Sheri_BH> I do agree with putting it in Governance
15:24:15 <CharlesL> Jeff: I think its odd, but will defer to the team.
15:24:41 <Sheri_BH> Sheri_BH: I will throw together a google doc and send out a link by Friday for review/editing
15:25:23 <CharlesL> ... We are going to rename Culture to "Governance"
15:25:26 <Sheri_BH> zakim, next item
15:25:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- GitHub Issue #226 Add an explanatory section on dimension goals and metrics -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:25:48 <Sheri_BH> zakim, close this item
15:25:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:25:49 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:25:49 <Zakim> 3. GitHub Issue #298 ICT is not widely known - definition doesn't really help [from Fazio]
15:26:05 <Sheri_BH> zakim, next item
15:26:05 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- GitHub Issue #298 ICT is not widely known - definition doesn't really help -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:26:39 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/298
15:26:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/298 -> Issue 298 ICT is not widely known - definition doesn't really help (by clapierre)
15:29:14 <CharlesL> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/#%20Customizing%20the%20Maturity%20Model
15:30:58 <CharlesL> Charles: this new addition is fine.
15:31:38 <Sheri_BH> Sheri_BH: my addition to 1.1.1 solves 298, we have one typo and a line that needs to be added about adding dimensions like equity and sustainability
15:31:49 <Sheri_BH> zakim, close this item
15:31:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:31:50 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:31:50 <Zakim> 4. Github Issue #303 Governance and Strategy Gap [from Fazio]
15:31:54 <Sheri_BH> zakin, next item
15:32:19 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/303
15:32:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/303 -> Issue 303 Governance and Strategy Gap (by Helixopp)
15:33:57 <Sheri_BH> Neha: will merge all three (226, 303, 348).  The surviving ticket will be 348, and Sheri will draft language and circulate to address
15:34:07 <Sheri_BH> zakim, close this item
15:34:07 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Sheri_BH
15:34:29 <Sheri_BH> zakim, next item
15:34:29 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issue #303 Governance and Strategy Gap -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:34:41 <CharlesL> zakim, close this item
15:34:41 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:34:42 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:34:42 <Zakim> 5. Triage Remaining Issues [from Fazio]
15:34:49 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:34:49 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Triage Remaining Issues -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:35:05 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/328
15:35:06 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/328 -> Issue 328 Clarify what model can do in abstract (by iadawn)
15:36:05 <Sheri_BH> fazio: read his proposed edits out loud
15:40:08 <CharlesL> group: Agrees this is good.
15:40:13 <Sheri_BH> zakim, close this item
15:40:13 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:40:15 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
15:41:15 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/329
15:41:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/329 -> Issue 329 "Proof points" position in hierarchy (by iadawn)
15:42:22 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: will grab the comment from the closed issue (the one Fazio entered for Kevin) and transfer it into 329 and close it
15:42:51 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/330
15:42:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/330 -> Issue 330 Use sentence case (by iadawn)
15:43:11 <Sheri_BH> Neha: will make any editorial change requests
15:43:28 <Sheri_BH> issue can be closed
15:43:29 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/331
15:43:30 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/331 -> Issue 331 "Proof points" language unclear (by iadawn)
15:43:53 <Sheri_BH> this is addressed by the new 1.1.1 language
15:44:23 <Sheri_BH> issue can be closed, once Fazio puts in the hyperlink to the new 1.1.1 language
15:45:09 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/332
15:45:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/332 -> Issue 332 Move research and standards review to explainer (by iadawn)
15:47:40 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: This is a non-normative note, we are unaware that notes have explainers
15:47:44 <Sheri_BH> issue can be closed
15:48:03 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/333
15:48:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/333 -> Issue 333 Definitions format (by iadawn)
15:51:04 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: to ask Kevin which ones he thinks are problematic.
15:51:30 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/334
15:51:30 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/334 -> Issue 334 Improve the About section (by iadawn)
15:52:23 <Sheri_BH> needs to be merged with 328
15:52:26 <Sheri_BH> and then closed
15:53:04 <Sheri_BH> Neha: to take care of these actions
15:53:18 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/335
15:53:18 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/335 -> Issue 335 Clarify impact on product deliver (by iadawn)
15:54:52 <Sheri_BH> need to ask for more details.  I don't want to misinterpret what they mean by this comment
15:55:22 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: to ask for more details
15:55:38 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/347
15:55:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/347 -> Issue 347 Gaming the system (by iadawn)
15:56:48 <Sheri_BH> This is a non-normative document.
15:57:42 <Sheri_BH> janina: anything can be gamed, if people are going to be disingenuous, they are going to be disingenuous.
15:57:57 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: The point isn't to get a score, it is to get a bird's eye view on what can be improved
15:58:15 <Sheri_BH> Fazio: to close after including our comments
15:59:54 <Sheri_BH> zakim, end meeting
15:59:55 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, janina, jkline, Sheri_BH, CharlesL
15:59:56 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:59:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
16:00:04 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Sheri_BH; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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