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12:58:40 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JJ
12:58:41 <JJ> Zakim, this is MATF 8 October 2025
12:58:41 <Zakim> got it, JJ
12:58:48 <JJ> Meeting: MATF 8 October 2025
12:58:52 <JJ> chair+
12:59:22 <shoobe01> present+
13:01:08 <JJ> agenda+ Second Draft backlog
13:01:14 <JJ> agenda+ 2.4.11 Focus Not Obscured (Minimum)
13:01:20 <JJ> agenda+ 2.5.8 Touch Target Sized (Minimum)
13:01:24 <JJ> agenda+  3.1.2 Language of Parts
13:01:29 <JJ> agenda+ 3.2.2 On Input
13:01:34 <JJ> agenda+ Not modified by author / provided by the user agent
13:01:39 <JJ> agenda+ 1.4.1 Use of Color
13:01:43 <JJ> agenda+ 1.4.2 Audio Control
13:01:48 <JJ> agenda+ Virtual keyboard definition
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13:02:25 <Tanya> present+
13:03:13 <JJ> Agenda for today: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/ad225df7-8cc6-46f8-892e-e810a8478ec6/20251008T090000/
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13:04:07 <quintinb> present+
13:04:39 <pauljadam> present+
13:04:59 <JJ> scribe: quintinb
13:05:01 <quintinb> scribe: quintinb
13:05:24 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:05:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Second Draft backlog -- taken up [from JJ]
13:05:47 <JJ> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/147/views/1
13:07:03 <quintinb> Playing by default? I hope it looks for reduced motion settings!
13:09:27 <quintinb> No strong opinions on how to move forward
13:09:43 <JJ> related to how many times to meet ^
13:09:45 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:09:45 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- 2.4.11 Focus Not Obscured (Minimum) -- taken up [from JJ]
13:09:55 <JJ> https://github.com/w3c/matf/pull/274
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13:11:08 <Jamie> present+
13:12:31 <quintinb> No complaints recorded
13:12:34 <quintinb> Or comments
13:12:42 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:12:42 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- 2.5.8 Touch Target Sized (Minimum) -- taken up [from JJ]
13:14:59 <JJ> Touch Target Size issue: https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/157#issuecomment-3328464153
13:15:09 <JJ> Text size / dp + pt research: https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/260
13:16:33 <Jamie> q+
13:17:42 <JJ> ack Jamie
13:17:48 <quintinb> q+ to ask about dynamic islands
13:17:52 <shoobe01> Q+
13:18:45 <quintinb> Jamie confirming we're looking at 2.5.8
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13:20:02 <GleidsonRamos> present+
13:20:48 <JJ> ack shoobe
13:23:00 <quintinb> shoobe01 I am concerned about 24 being too small to be reasonable. What actually happens is that size can vary on position on the screen - another issue is that tablets are not the same.
13:24:00 <Tanya> q+
13:26:37 <JJ> ack quintinb
13:26:37 <Zakim> quintinb, you wanted to ask about dynamic islands
13:27:06 <quintinb> quintinb just wondering if we want to make a note about the system adding dynamic regions around "more isolated" components. Apple do that, and so does React Native has a "hitslop" - I don't believe this is useful as the touch region will change depending on screen size and other surrounding elements
13:29:46 <shoobe01> Never heard of the dynamic region thing (!): totally +1 need to have a note about that and links to read up on it, decide how to add it in.
13:30:05 <quintinb> Happy to share a XCUITest with you that infuriates me
13:30:44 <shoobe01> Agree that it is likely too complex to specify physical sizes; I am using those for the math, but am seeking DIP/px sizing that works for the next draft.
13:32:45 <quintinb> Google are not the standards. We are the stanards!
13:32:57 <quintinb> He said spelling standards wrong
13:33:00 <JJ> ack Tanya
13:35:11 <quintinb> Tanya I was thinking about the SC from a tester perspective - this might be a little too technical for auditors. We should be careful about recommendations, because non-modified components may fall under an exception. Maybe we should have a general note and comment about the platform recommendations?
13:36:30 <JJ> q?
13:37:02 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:37:02 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- 3.1.2 Language of Parts -- taken up [from JJ]
13:37:10 <JJ> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/173#issuecomment-3375733631
13:40:20 <JJ> q+ Tanya to explain comment with proposal
13:40:25 <JJ> ack Tanya
13:40:25 <Zakim> Tanya, you wanted to explain comment with proposal
13:42:34 <quintinb> Tanya we should avoid being very specific that can be outdated quickly
13:44:24 <quintinb> Recommend using examples to mention specific  / OS behaviour
13:44:35 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:44:35 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- 3.2.2 On Input -- taken up [from JJ]
13:44:56 <JJ> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/197#issuecomment-3334658392
13:47:59 <quintinb> q+
13:48:04 <JJ> ack quintinb
13:49:27 <quintinb> I'm concerned a lot of people will fail if it's not related to a logical position and predictable behaviour
13:54:00 <quintinb> I was trying to pay a company, and the error message "Something went wrong" appeared at the top of the page. I had no idea why the "Take my money" button wasn't working
13:54:50 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:54:50 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Not modified by author / provided by the user agent -- taken up [from JJ]
13:55:02 <JJ> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/80#issuecomment-3376302069
13:57:33 <JJ> Zakim, list participants
13:57:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shoobe, Tanya, quintinb, pauljadam, Jamie, GleidsonRamos
13:57:41 <JJ> rrsagent, make minutes
13:57:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-matf-minutes.html JJ
14:00:05 <JJ> rrsagent, bye
14:00:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items