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13:29:32 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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13:34:10 <matatk> agenda?
13:37:40 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:37:46 <janina> Chair: Matatk
13:37:54 <janina> Date: 08 Oct 2025
13:39:32 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:39:32 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025
13:39:32 <janina> agenda+ Beyond ID Href -- Announcement & Preparatory Conversation
13:39:32 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:39:32 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:39:35 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:39:49 <janina> agenda?
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13:57:04 <janina> regrets: Roy_Ruoxi_Ran, Alisa_Smith, Gottfried_Zimmerman
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14:02:03 <niklasegger> scribe+ niklasegger
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14:02:42 <matatk> agenda?
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14:02:51 <matatk> zakim, drop item 3
14:02:51 <Zakim> agendum 3, Beyond ID Href -- Announcement & Preparatory Conversation, dropped
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14:03:30 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:03:30 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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14:04:38 <niklasegger> janina: One special item in the agenda
14:04:48 <Fredrik> present+
14:04:54 <JenStrickland> I also have an agenda item.
14:05:03 <JonCohn> pspresent+
14:05:40 <Fredrik> Isn't the whole vibe of Washingotn R-Disabling?
14:07:33 <niklasegger> JenStrickland: I tagged you matatk in an issue, a question about issue templates
14:08:25 <JenStrickland> Here's the issue where I created the content: https://github.com/w3c/sustainableweb-wsg/issues/158
14:09:20 <niklasegger> matatk: Yes, there are templates. You've reminded me to do the APA A11Y Request template. Also, my colleague works right now on an HTML version of the FAST checklist
14:10:11 <niklasegger> matatk: ... You can then fill in the necessary information and get back an GitHub issue
14:10:59 <niklasegger> Fazio: Another news: Maturity Model is coming! Get ready for a CfC, please look at it and support it
14:11:03 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:11:03 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2025 -- taken up [from janina]
14:11:54 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts
14:11:57 <niklasegger> matatk: Deadline for proposing breakouts is 22. October, two weeks from today
14:12:31 <matatk> topic: Prep for 'beyond IDREFs' discussion next week
14:13:07 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/256
14:13:55 <niklasegger> matatk: Reminder: Next week we have a discussion about the proposal: Augmenting ID Refs. More information in the linked issue above
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14:14:46 <matatk> Alice's concerns on IDREFs: https://notes.igalia.com/XlsPwU5sQfuaWYHwhtBMtA
14:14:52 <matatk> explainer: https://github.com/webplatformco/explainers/blob/main/html-element-references/README.md
14:16:17 <niklasegger> matatk: ... it is a massive but really informative thread. Please take a look at it, at the explainer and Alice's concern, so we have a good foundation for next weeks discussion! We need to find a way forward that is constructive for everyone concerned.
14:16:50 <janina> q+ To ask whether there's an actual proposal on the table yet?
14:18:01 <matatk> ack janina
14:18:01 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask whether there's an actual proposal on the table yet?
14:18:16 <niklasegger> matatk: One suggestions from my side is to break this whole thing into stages. This could help with determine who could do it and focusing the research
14:18:31 <janina> ack ja
14:20:25 <niklasegger> matatk: Short explanation of this issue: Webpages are nowadays really complex, often different components are developed by different teams and there are concerns, problems with the current situation with duplicate ids. This is an approach to tackle these issues
14:22:03 <niklasegger> matatk: We will probably not achieve any big result next week. The goal of next week is, is to provide a space for people to voice their concerns
14:26:07 <niklasegger> matatk: There are two proposals: Relative references and scoped IDs
14:26:08 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:26:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-apa-minutes.html matatk
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14:29:42 <niklasegger> matatk: An interesting question that Janina just raised is: If you call JS to move something in the DOM, should that auto update the selector somehow?
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14:31:33 <niklasegger> matatk: Please once again look at Alice's concern and the explainer as preparation for next week
14:34:31 <matatk> ack JonCohn
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14:41:49 <JenStrickland> I will email my IP address to you, matatk.
14:41:56 <niklasegger> matatk: I will update the calender for next week
14:41:59 <niklasegger> zakim, next item
14:41:59 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:42:34 <matatk> subtopic: Screen Orientation
14:42:35 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/126
14:42:48 <Eric_hind> q+
14:42:51 <niklasegger> q+
14:45:19 <matatk> ack Eric_hind
14:47:17 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Horizontal_Review#For_Specifications_2 - info on if you want to propose an APA response which will get filed as an issue in the spec's repo
14:51:59 <Neha> q+
14:53:49 <matatk> ack niklasegger
14:53:54 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
14:54:21 <matatk> niklasegger: Will you create a tracking issue for this one?
14:55:13 <matatk> matatk: Let's see if others have input...
14:55:17 <matatk> ack Neha
14:55:43 <niklasegger> Eric_hind: I have a issue and will raise it in the spec repo
14:56:16 <niklasegger> matatk: Unfortunately, there is no time left for more spec reviews. Any burning questions left?
14:56:33 <niklasegger> (no questions)
14:57:40 <niklasegger> matatk: Eric_hind if you have a big issue please follow the instructions of the wiki linked above and in case of a small issue you can directly raise it
14:57:53 <niklasegger> zakim, end meeting
14:57:53 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been niklasegger, Fazio, JenStrickland, janina, Demelza, matatk, Eric_hind, Fredrik, Neha, stevef
14:57:55 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:58:02 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, niklasegger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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