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18:12:03 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
18:12:35 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge (A11yEdge) Community Group Teleconference
18:12:41 <janina> Chair: Janina
18:12:47 <janina> Date: 08 Oct 2025
18:29:53 <janina> present+
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18:33:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
18:33:13 <Zakim> Present: janina
18:33:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Jem
18:33:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:33:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Shari
18:33:49 <janina> present+
18:33:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Information Architecture
18:34:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: Glad you agree to participate in World Information Architecture Day 2026 March 7
18:34:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... when is publication expected
18:34:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Next few weeks
18:35:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: We also invite you to give a lightning talk at our post-TPAC Community Group meeting
18:38:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the theme of WIAD is "Design for Meaning"
18:38:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Designing for accessibility means designing for everybody
18:41:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... people underestaimate temporary disabilities, situational disabilities
18:41:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/underestaimate/under-estimate
18:50:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Chris
18:50:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Breakout session
18:51:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We must propose by 22 October, 2 weeks from today
18:51:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: The breakout session language should be consistent with our notifications that the document is published
18:53:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I propose we complete the announcement paragraph on list, then curate the Breakout session to be consistent with it
18:53:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, make minutes
18:53:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Lionel_Wolberger
18:56:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Overlay citation
18:57:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: This document was curated because there are no definitive, W3C quality definitions out there
18:57:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the best quality reference was the DOC citation in its Title II ruling
18:58:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: Agree.
18:58:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Agree
18:58:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: The issues do need addressing: overlays can pile onto overlays as well
18:59:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and when AI is involved, there can be unexpected results
19:02:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Respec review
19:02:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We are ready for respec review. While in review, the document is locked
19:03:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... afterwards we can still edit paragraphs, and/or sentences
19:04:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Current link is https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/
19:04:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The published report will have a different link
19:06:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... something like www.w3.org/community/report/[SHORTNAME]
19:06:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Jason
19:07:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, make minutes
19:07:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Lionel_Wolberger
19:07:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
19:07:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
19:08:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Overlay Citation, cont'd
19:10:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The page talks about automation almost solely, and visible widgets
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19:31:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: First paragraph, reverse the order of the documents cited
19:31:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 2nd parag. as follows
19:31:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... While overlay is not a precisely defined term in either of the previously referenced documents,
19:31:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... overlays share some techniques with the approaches documented in this publication, but they utilize only a subset of the broader methods we address here.
19:32:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> 3rd parag, rework it to refer to the two documents
19:32:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: 2 bullet points
19:33:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it's a bad idea to lie (See Pinnochio)
19:33:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 2nd, it's not how the sausage is made, it's whether it tastes good and doesn't kill you
19:33:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Links and Citations
19:33:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: Guidelines for URL structure. https://figshare.com/articles/journal_contribution/Accessible_URL_Checklist_for_Science_Gateway_Websites/7229285/1?file=13311620
19:34:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Thurow, Shari (2018). Accessible URL Checklist for Science Gateway Websites. figshare. Journal contribution. https://doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.7229285.v1
19:34:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... https://figshare.com/articles/journal_contribution/Title-Tag_Checklist_for_Text-Based_Documents_Web_Pages_/7229375/1?file=13311731
19:34:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Thurow, Shari (2018). Title-Tag Checklist for Text-Based Documents (Web Pages). figshare. Journal contribution. https://doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.7229375.v1
19:35:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
19:35:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Shari, Chris, Jason
19:35:43 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:35:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/10/08-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
19:35:50 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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