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14:53:18 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:53:40 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:53:49 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
14:54:47 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:54:47 <Fazio> Agenda+ Triage New Github Issues
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15:04:42 <Sheri_B-H> scribe+
15:04:51 <Fazio> Regrets: Dariusz, Jeff, Dr. Keith
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15:05:08 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:05:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:05:11 <janina> present+
15:05:28 <CharlesL> q+
15:06:05 <SusiPallero> present+
15:06:46 <Sheri_B-H> janina: tpac breakouts open until late Oct
15:07:04 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: will submit MM/AI intersection
15:07:19 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: have already submitted general conversation
15:07:36 <Sheri_B-H> janina: Might not make TPAC date for publication
15:07:44 <Sheri_B-H> janina: getting commenters to agree takes the time
15:07:56 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:07:56 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Sheri_B-H
15:08:17 <Sheri_B-H> q-
15:08:30 <Sheri_B-H> CharlesL: put in a CSUN proposal
15:08:39 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: David and I have put in a workshop proposal
15:09:13 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: and I put in an accessible procurement proposal
15:09:37 <Sheri_B-H> q
15:09:44 <Sheri_B-H> ack charles
15:09:53 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
15:09:53 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Triage New Github Issues -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:11:06 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: lots of comments from Karl Groves and Kevin White
15:11:20 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: nothing huge, lots of room for tightening things up
15:11:39 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/320
15:11:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/320 -> Issue 320 Misleading Statement In Research And Standards Review (by Helixopp)
15:12:55 <Sheri_B-H> general consensus that this issue is editorial
15:13:06 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/319
15:13:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/319 -> Issue 319 Research And Standards Review Misplaced (by Helixopp)
15:14:41 <Sheri_B-H> janina: not aware that we follow the Microsoft "explainer" approach for notes
15:15:14 <Sheri_B-H> janina:most of our audience won't know to look for a second document
15:18:00 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: added comment to 319
15:18:43 <Sheri_B-H> david flagged both 319 and 320 as documentation
15:19:12 <Sheri_B-H> > https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/318
15:19:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/318 -> Issue 318 Term Proof Point Isn't Clear (by Helixopp)
15:20:58 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: this is the fight I had with Jeff 4 years ago.
15:21:22 <Sheri_B-H> janina: users can change the terms to something that works better for their industry
15:24:34 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: Kevin had another comment about tightening up the Proof Point definition
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15:30:15 <jkline> queue+
15:30:48 <Sheri_B-H> 318 will be assigned to Sheri, she will write a small section in the intro (which she thought was already there).  There are references to customization in the spreadsheet
15:31:20 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/317
15:31:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/317 -> Issue 317 Inconsistent Heading Style (by Helixopp)
15:31:40 <Sheri_B-H> ack jkline
15:32:05 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: are any of these show stoppers?
15:32:33 <Sheri_B-H> fazio: we need to review each of these to understand that.
15:36:45 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: read out Kevin's email since it didn't go to the public email list
15:38:32 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: Fazio to send an email to Kevin asking him to put the rest of the issues in and telling him where he stopped
15:39:19 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: ask him to flag the ones he feels need to be solved before the release
15:40:48 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: absolutely need to fix inconsistent heading style, flag as editorial
15:41:12 <Sheri_B-H> Neha will take care of it
15:43:06 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/316
15:43:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/316 -> Issue 316 Communications Proof Point Structure is Too Deep (by Helixopp)
15:45:37 <Sheri_B-H> related to 317, assign to Neha
15:45:54 <Sheri_B-H> 2.5.1.1.1 and deeper need to be moved back one level
15:46:52 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/315
15:46:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/315 -> Issue 315 Adjust Proof Point Information Architecture (by Helixopp)
15:47:48 <Sheri_B-H> janina: heading structure is better for screen reader users.  For example, definition lists are used for document authors, and it is way too chatty
15:51:31 <Sheri_B-H> janina: this was an intentional choice where the AT benefits are a side effect
15:51:39 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/314
15:51:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/314 -> Issue 314 Abstract Is Too Salesy (by Helixopp)
15:55:14 <Sheri_B-H> janina: removed some of the "salesy" stuff previously
15:55:27 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri_B-H: we need to put explanations for the acronyms
15:58:36 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: Karl also mentioned acronyms, we need to do a complete review and make sure all acronyms are spelled out the first time
16:00:34 <Sheri_B-H> we will pick this up next week
16:01:45 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, end meeting
16:01:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Mark_Miller, CharlesL, Neha, JeffAdams-UN, Sheri_B-H, janina, SusiPallero, jkline, stacey
16:01:48 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/24-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
16:01:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Sheri_B-H; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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