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13:18:36 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:18:43 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:18:50 <janina> Date: 24 Sep 2025
13:18:57 <janina> Chair: Matatk
13:19:02 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:19:02 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2025
13:19:02 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:19:02 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
13:19:02 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
13:19:04 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:19:07 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:19:21 <janina>  agenda?
13:55:20 <janina> present+
13:55:31 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:55:31 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:55:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, kirkwood, gb, jyasskin, vmpstr, slightlyoff, Rachael, tink, hdv, chrishtr, alastairc, wendyreid, Roy_Ruoxi, jcraig, jamesn
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14:05:38 <Glenda> Scribe: Glenda
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14:05:53 <Glenda> agenda
14:06:03 <Glenda> zakim, next item
14:06:04 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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14:07:31 <matatk> subtopic: Enhancing IDREFs
14:07:38 <matatk> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10143
14:08:16 <Glenda> matatk: adding to the ability to reference elements by an id
14:08:20 <matatk> For context: gaps in the web platform: https://github.com/w3ctag/gaps/issues
14:11:37 <Glenda> matatk: would like everyone to have a look at this thread.  we might need to add accessibility requirements.  some concerns have been raised around one of the popular suggestions.  We need to get people to think about it, so we can contribute ideas.
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14:12:42 <JenStrickland> q+
14:13:01 <matatk> APA-focused tracking issue (public, but APA-focused comments): https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/256
14:13:17 <matatk> ack JenStrickland
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14:14:37 <Glenda> JenStrickland:  good to see this kind of open discussion is happening and that accessibility is already being considered
14:16:06 <Glenda> JenStrickland: it is good to see this type of problem solving and creating possible solutions
14:16:47 <JenStrickland> q+
14:17:39 <matatk> ack JenStrickland
14:18:15 <Glenda> matatk: to make accessibility work, you have to have certain guarantees.  And there are a lot of from tech architecture group members, a lot of accessibility people on here as well
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14:19:40 <PaulG> q+
14:19:47 <Glenda> JenStrickland: do we have assistive tech vendors involved.  we need to make sure vendors like Freedom Scientific and other AT need to be involved.
14:19:48 <chiace> q+
14:20:04 <matatk> ack PaulG
14:20:54 <Glenda> PaulG; sounds like the issue won’t be felt hard on AT.  The browser vendor will need to populate the accessibility tree.
14:20:55 <matatk> ack chiace
14:21:55 <Glenda> chiace: we do a bit of research about AT but more from an AI perspective
14:23:35 <Glenda> matatk: what would we like the agenda items to be for a discussion.  1)  will it be a smooth transition for AT.  How would you deal with content changes? Opacity of selector to a developer.
14:24:26 <Glenda> matatk: we might want to have a breakout at TPAC on this.  chiace will think if there is another agenda to add.
14:24:42 <matatk> q?
14:24:59 <Glenda> matatk: obviously we are concerned about accessibility, but we are trying to provide a more neutral area for discussion.
14:25:56 <Glenda> matatk: we would like to do this more, finding out about things earlier and providing input early.  Then we can flag accessibility when we think it is crucial.
14:26:52 <Glenda> zakim, next item
14:26:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2025 -- taken up [from janina]
14:27:15 <Glenda> matatk: deadline for breakout proposals is 22nd of October
14:27:22 <JenStrickland> q+
14:27:34 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues
14:28:01 <Glenda> janina:  epub has asked for our joint meeting to occur ahead of TPAC.  any sensitivity to the date, I’d like to know
14:28:45 <matatk> ack JenStrickland
14:29:33 <Glenda> JenStrickland: travelers to Japan: if you take any medications make sure you have the proper paperwork to bring that medication into Japan.
14:29:43 <JenStrickland> Information regarding Japan and medications: https://www.ncd.mhlw.go.jp/en/application2.html
14:29:53 <JenStrickland> See also: https://www.mhlw.go.jp/english/policy/health-medical/pharmaceuticals/01.html
14:29:57 <matatk> Visit Japan Web: https://www.digital.go.jp/en/policies/visit_japan_web
14:31:05 <Glenda> matatk: go thru the Visit Japan site before you go to Japan.  It is worth doing in advance.  Most people will need to fill it out.
14:31:27 <Fazio> https://chat.whatsapp.com/EfVvCTmpXuHLgnlSkYaTGF
14:32:00 <Glenda> Fazio: WhatsApp group link for TPAC, helpful to connect and talk to others
14:32:08 <Glenda> Zakim, next item
14:32:08 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:32:52 <matatk> topic: New Charters
14:33:29 <matatk> subtopic: MEIG
14:33:30 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/520
14:34:25 <Glenda> matatk:  Media and entertainment interest group - we have a good relationship with them.  I don’t see anything concerning here.
14:35:15 <Glenda> janina: the would love us to update the MAUR, but we don’t have the time.
14:35:23 <matatk> subtopic: JSON-LD WG
14:35:24 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/494
14:36:58 <Glenda> matatk: this is the charter we are reviewing. I don’t see anything hugely concerning.  They do mention accessibility.  The do have a new standards like YAML mapping.
14:37:29 <Glenda> matatk: does anyone have any concerns?
14:37:40 <Glenda> janina: i think we are good (no concerns)
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14:37:55 <matatk> topic: New on TR
14:37:58 <stevef> present+
14:38:00 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Semantic Sensor Network Ontology - 2023 Edition
14:38:00 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-longitudinal-tracking/issues/35
14:38:00 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn-2023/
14:38:35 <Glenda> matatk: we can come back to this one
14:39:04 <matatk> topic: Spec Reviews
14:40:49 <Glenda> matatk: CSS UI one that Paul looked at.  Next one is on geolocation.  I have some privacy concerns I will file separately.  Jen looked from an a11y perspective.  We are okay with this.
14:40:55 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:41:44 <matatk> subtopic: Screen Orientation
14:41:49 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/126
14:43:10 <matatk> Previous review outputs: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/The_Screen_Orientation_API
14:43:26 <Glenda> matatk: we’ve looked at screen orientation before.  api exposes what orientation the screen is in and gives you events that you can handle.  we have previous review inputs
14:45:11 <Glenda> matatk: first thing we want to do is check that our accessibility concerns are addressed.  does anybody want to have a look at this particular one.  timeline is mid-october.  anyone want to volunetter to review?  niklasegger and Eric_hind volunteered to review.
14:45:56 <matatk> subtopic: DAPT
14:46:07 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/124
14:47:00 <Glenda> matatk: dubbing and audio profiles for ttml (is what I think DAPT stands for).  this review is due on 18 of October.
14:47:53 <Glenda> We have janina and frederick assigned
14:49:02 <matatk> topic: Issue Tracking
14:49:12 <matatk> subtopic: Incubation: Scoped Focusgroup
14:49:17 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/257
14:50:08 <Glenda> matatk: Scoped Focus Group proposal from OpenUI.  Jeffrey added teh a11y tag.
14:50:16 <matatk> explainer from Open UI: https://open-ui.org/components/scoped-focusgroup.explainer/
14:52:54 <Glenda> matatk: about focus management, trying to reduce the need for roving tab index code.  creating a way for the browser to handle this instead of the developer having to write this in javascript. all sounds like a reasonable goal to me.
14:52:58 <PaulG> q+
14:54:02 <Glenda> matatk: they are corresponding to APG patterns
14:55:28 <Glenda> PaulG:  I’ll look at the explainer.  I think there is a big miss on orientation. I’ll dig into this.
14:55:52 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:56:04 <Glenda> janina: for a non-visual user, you don’t want the screen to reorient itself just because you picked up the device
14:56:56 <Glenda> PaulG:  there are situations where in responsive something might be a tab list turns into an accordion, because it is responsive, it needs to change.
14:57:42 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/24-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:57:49 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:57:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Eric_hind, mike_beganyi, Fazio, IrfanA, niklasegger, Gottfried, matatk, Glenda, PaulG, JenStrickland, chiace, tsaulter, Neha,
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14:57:49 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/24-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:57:55 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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