13:07:53 RRSAgent has joined #wot-profile 13:07:57 logging to https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-irc 13:07:57 meeting: WoT Profile 13:08:31 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ben_Francis, David_Ezell, Michael_Koster, Toamoaki_Mizushima 13:08:48 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profiles_-_2025-09-17 13:09:17 topic: Minutes 13:09:27 -> https://www.w3.org/2025/08/06-wot-profile-minutes.html Aug-6 13:09:39 bf: (quickly goes through it) 13:09:45 ... can approve it? 13:09:50 dezell has joined #wot-profile 13:09:57 present+ David_Ezell 13:10:05 (approved) 13:10:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:10:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:10:25 rrsagent, make log public 13:10:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:10:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:10:34 topic: WoT Profile 1.0 Publication 13:11:15 bf: the next step should be creating a static HTML 13:11:29 ... Kaz, you mentioned there was some guide for that purpose. right? 13:11:31 kaz: yes 13:11:32 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/publication 13:11:43 bf: (goes through the guide) 13:11:49 ... not very complicated :) 13:11:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:11:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:12:11 ... will take an action item to work on that 13:12:13 kaz: tx! 13:12:20 topic: WoT Profiles 2.0 Planning 13:12:52 bf: would have discussion to publish the FPWD by the end of October 13:12:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:13:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:13:06 chair: Ben 13:13:35 ... would ask the group about their ideas/expectations 13:13:55 q+ 13:14:39 kaz: would be nice to describe the difference between the Profile mechanism and the Binding mechanism 13:14:43 q- 13:15:28 s/FPWD/UC Note for Profile/ 13:15:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:15:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:15:51 s/for Profile/for Profile 2.0/ 13:15:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:15:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:16:18 bf: any other comments? 13:16:20 (none) 13:16:43 bf: in that case, let's review the discussion so far 13:16:50 subtopic: Issue 285 13:16:51 q? 13:17:08 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/285 Issue 285 - Profile Mechanism 2.0 13:17:15 bf: it's kind of long discussion 13:17:26 s/discussion/discussion started in 2022/ 13:17:39 ... (goes through the issue content) 13:17:59 ... the idea is Profile to be simpler and clearer 13:18:30 ... then eventually became the strawman-proposal 13:18:40 q? 13:18:48 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-wg/2024Feb/0000.html Strawman proposal 13:19:45 bf: there are two concrete proposals, one about Binding and another about Profile 13:19:57 ... would show the Profile one 13:20:14 -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LjBWiqQZXi85gXP2NNckQni5os6dwxW6UDGrZDb3cns/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.71drcnjjomtn Strawman proposal on WoT HTTP Basic Profile 2.0 13:20:53 bf: (goes through the proposal) 13:21:33 q+ 13:21:39 -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1msgUZSrniTrgVieU2i_V2804gqvVsHrYByTv-OET1l8/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.71drcnjjomtn Strawaman proposal on WoT HTTP Protocol Binding 2.0 13:22:00 bf: (then goes through the proposal around Binding) 13:22:30 ... currently, we have protocol binding description with the HTTP Profile section 13:23:22 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/#http-basic-profile-protocol-binding WoT Profile ED - 6.2 Protocol Binding 13:23:53 bf: (revisits the proposal on HTTP Protocol Binding 2.0) 13:24:23 mjk: how to use the existing Profile for that purpose? 13:24:52 bf: at the moment, we have two sets of mechanisms, Profile and Binding 13:25:43 ... the two mechanisms don't really work well together at the moment 13:26:37 mjk: we want people to use the default for Binding 13:27:00 ... if it doesn't work well, we can define another Binding which works with Profile better 13:27:06 ack mjk 13:27:14 bf: right 13:28:13 ... Profile would extends Protocol Bindings and Payload Bindings 13:28:42 s/would/wanted/ 13:29:53 ... although I'd agree with the Binding approach with Registry 13:30:42 s/although // 13:31:11 mjk: was not sure how to describe the idea 13:31:32 bf: there should not be domain-specific Profiles 13:31:56 ... my view is you're fragmenting WoT with that direction 13:32:08 ... cross-domain interoperability is needed 13:32:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:32:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:32:27 ... and I'm curious about other people's opinions 13:32:49 q+ 13:33:24 q? 13:33:37 mjk: Profile as a common application layer for multiple Bindings? 13:34:11 bf: if you're handling a constrained device with CoAP 13:34:44 q? 13:34:50 s/if/what if/ 13:35:10 de: we want to write standards for interoperability 13:35:24 ... playing natural language 13:36:52 ... we're not hoping we create our own Profile based on our industry area 13:36:58 bf: ok 13:37:20 ... the Web Thing Protocol CG is also working on Websockets 13:37:48 ... Websockets might be a good solution for realtime connection 13:38:24 q? 13:38:25 ... we wanted to be extensible but would try to be simple as possible 13:38:31 ack d 13:38:42 bf: any other thoughts? 13:38:50 q+ 13:38:59 q- 13:39:20 kaz: should ask Siemens guys also about their opinions :) 13:39:22 bf: right 13:39:28 ... let's ask them next time 13:39:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:39:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:40:06 ... let's talk about the UCR for Profile 13:40:27 i|let's|topic: Use Cases and Requirements for WoT Profiles 2.0| 13:40:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:40:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:41:01 ... we should have a document describing what to be done by WoT Profile 2.0 13:41:07 q+ 13:41:50 q- 13:42:08 kaz: whatever approach is fine :) 13:42:33 ... if we want, we can reuse the template generated by the UCR TF 13:43:05 ... or if want, we can work on another template 13:43:17 bf: the template by the UCR TF is too much and kind of heavy 13:43:56 ... also we need some more granular information 13:44:06 ... (shows the UCR template) 13:44:28 ... (also shows the CG report by the Web Thing CG) 13:44:52 Example Use Cases & Requirements document https://www.w3.org/community/reports/web-thing-protocol/CG-FINAL-web-thing-protocol-requirements-20231101/#http-sub-protocol 13:45:27 i|also|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ UCR Note ED 13:45:35 bf: any other ideas? 13:45:43 ... what about how to get input? 13:46:11 ... should use the GitHub Issue? 13:46:27 kaz: GitHub Issue mechanism is fine 13:46:38 ... also getting input as MD is also fine :) 13:46:48 bf: ok 13:46:59 ... MD might be a good starting point 13:47:11 q? 13:47:24 ... we can continue the discussion with more people next time 13:47:51 ... including the high-level discussion about what WoT Profile 2.0 should be 13:48:01 ... also how to get th information for UCR 13:48:07 topic: AOB 13:48:16 bf: any other points for today? 13:48:44 (none) 13:49:12 bf: would continue the discussion on what Profile should do and which Profile to be included, etc. 13:49:22 [adjourned] 13:49:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:49:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 16:02:19 Zakim has left #wot-profile