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11:59:10 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
11:59:20 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster
12:01:11 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
12:02:24 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:04:04 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:05:19 <kaz> q+
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12:05:50 <kaz> q-
12:06:08 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:06:18 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
12:06:52 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:06:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:07:13 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#17_September_2025
12:07:18 <kaz> topic: Guests, IEs
12:07:21 <sebastian> q+
12:07:40 <kaz> mjk: McCool is an invited guests today as well
12:08:05 <kaz> sk: McCool, please check the email I sent to you for further discussion
12:08:05 <sebastian> ack s
12:08:32 <kaz> mm: OK with the Chairs call on next Monday
12:08:38 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:08:47 <kaz> present+ Ben_Francis
12:09:04 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/09/10-wot-minutes.html Sep-10
12:09:11 <kaz> mjk: (goes through the minutes)
12:09:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:09:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:09:31 <kaz> chair: Koster
12:10:07 <kaz> s/discussion/discussion about your IE request/
12:10:19 <kaz> ... any changes to be added?
12:10:25 <kaz> (none)
12:10:35 <kaz> approved
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12:10:46 <kaz> topic: Quick Items
12:10:49 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:11:09 <benfrancis> q+
12:11:18 <kaz> subtopic: Ege's message about TD publication
12:11:23 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-wg/2025Sep/0016.html Ege's message
12:11:43 <kaz> mjk: should wait for Ege's participation
12:11:51 <kaz> subtopic: Profile publication
12:12:08 <kaz> q+
12:13:11 <kaz> kaz: we need to generate a static HTML for publication
12:13:52 <kaz> ... there is a guideline README.md at wot-thing-description repo
12:13:59 <kaz> ... maybe already copied to wot-profile repo
12:14:10 <kaz> bf: would look at what to do
12:14:17 <kaz> ... and let you know if need any help
12:14:18 <kaz> kaz: ok
12:14:39 <kaz> mjk: any other quick items?
12:14:41 <kaz> (none)
12:15:36 <kaz> subtopic: Ege's message about TD publication - revisited
12:16:32 <benfrancis> q?
12:16:38 <benfrancis> q-
12:16:42 <kaz> ack k
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12:19:36 <kaz> ... note that Ege has added a normative change after the transition request in addition to the HTML generation itself
12:19:39 <kaz> mjk: ah, ok
12:20:24 <kaz> kaz: so we should revert the additional changes and publish the HTML as is
12:20:49 <kaz> ... for that purpose, we can wait one more week :)
12:20:51 <kaz> mjk: ok
12:20:52 <benfrancis> q+
12:21:56 <kaz> bf: wondering if those changes are really normative...
12:22:09 <kaz> mjk: we can quickly review it...
12:22:48 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2140 TD PR 2140 - TD 2.0 FPWD Publication
12:24:18 <kaz> (quick review)
12:25:02 <kaz> kaz: if there are separate 2 PRs, one for HTML generation and another for normative assertion removal, we could merge the first PR
12:25:18 <kaz> ... but those changes are mixed up within PR 2140, so we need to wait
12:25:21 <kaz> mjk: ok
12:25:37 <kaz> ... what about Binding Registry and Binding Templates
12:26:16 <kaz> s/Templates/Templates?/
12:27:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-registry/pull/38 Registry PR 38 - Draft Registry Publication
12:27:32 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/442 Binding PR 442 - New Note Publication
12:27:57 <kaz> kaz: technically, we can merge those PRs, and I can check the diff between the static HTMLs and the Editor's Drafts
12:27:59 <kaz> mjk: ok
12:28:05 <kaz> ... any objections to merge them?
12:28:06 <kaz> (none)
12:29:04 <kaz> (Registry PR 38 merged)
12:29:36 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
12:29:58 <kaz> (Binding PR 442 also merged)
12:30:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:30:20 <kaz> mjk: regarding TD PR 2140, we need to wait
12:30:28 <kaz> ... any other discussion?
12:30:30 <kaz> (none)
12:30:37 <kaz> ... any other quick items for today?
12:30:46 <kaz> s/... any/mjk: any/
12:30:51 <kaz> topic: Notices
12:30:53 <kaz> q+
12:30:58 <kaz> ack b
12:31:53 <kaz> kaz: leaving W3C the end of September
12:31:55 <kaz> ack k
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12:33:18 <kaz> ... talking with Philippe and Francois about the transition
12:33:40 <kaz> mjk: tx for your help!
12:33:46 <sebastian> q+
12:33:50 <kaz> ... and congrats for your new role!
12:34:12 <kaz> sk: also would say tx to you!
12:34:34 <kaz> ... pity to lose you
12:34:42 <dezell> Kaz, I'm at a loss for words.  Thank you so much for everything!!!
12:35:06 <kaz> i/Kaz/... would expect we'll meet at TPAC :)/
12:35:18 <kaz> s/Kaz/de: Kaz/
12:35:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:35:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:35:32 <kaz> mjk: any other quick item?
12:35:37 <kaz> s/item/items/
12:35:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:35:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:35:47 <mjk> q?
12:35:49 <kaz> ack s
12:36:27 <kaz> s/... note that/kaz: note that/
12:36:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:36:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:36:40 <kaz> topic: UC TF Planning
12:37:14 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/387 UC PR 387 - Update Abstract and Intro
12:37:32 <kaz> mjk: asked people to review the PR till September 24
12:37:49 <kaz> ... let's put that as agenda item for next week
12:37:57 <kaz> ... any other point?
12:38:00 <kaz> (none)
12:38:05 <kaz> topic: TPAC 2025
12:38:39 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning WoT TPAC wiki
12:39:10 <kaz> mjk: (goes through the wiki)
12:39:50 <kaz> q+
12:40:32 <kaz> kaz: we had discussion on Plugfest prep last week
12:40:46 <kaz> ... got an action item to update the GitHub page based on the discussion
12:40:58 <kaz> ... let's continue the discussion based on that updated GitHub page
12:41:01 <kaz> mjk: ok
12:41:12 <kaz> i|we had|subtopic: Plugfest|
12:41:16 <kaz> subtopic: Breakout
12:41:46 <kaz> i|we had|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/plugfest/2025-tpac-kobe Plugfest page|
12:42:46 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/7 Breakout issue 7 - Web of Things Live Demonstration
12:42:59 <kaz> mjk: (goes through the GitHub Issue 7)
12:43:05 <kaz> s/issue 7/Issue 7/
12:43:13 <kaz> ... any more comments?
12:43:34 <kaz> (none)
12:43:42 <kaz> mjk: tx for generating this, Sebastian!
12:44:17 <kaz> subtopic: WoT F2F
12:44:20 <mjk> q?
12:44:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-meetings/issues/64 issue 64
12:44:52 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning WoT TPAC wiki
12:45:08 <kaz> q-
12:45:37 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_TPAC_2025_planning#Topics specifically, the Topic section of the wiki
12:45:52 <kaz> kaz: we can review the list of the proposed topics
12:45:55 <kaz> mjk: ok
12:47:47 <kaz> ... we need to look into expected joint meetings, and start to outreach those groups
12:48:00 <kaz> ... which groups we still want to meet?
12:49:04 <kaz> kaz: let's collect information first, and think about the priority next
12:49:06 <kaz> mjk: ok
12:50:05 <kaz> ... what about our own group topics?
12:50:23 <kaz> ... definitely need to discuss TD/Binding
12:50:33 <kaz> ... what about other topics?
12:50:51 <kaz> ... Discovery, Architecture, Scripting API, Security/Privacy?
12:51:08 <kaz> q+
12:51:30 <kaz> kaz: maybe it would make sense to put "Who to lead which topic"
12:51:43 <kaz> ... so let's put some concrete name to each topic
12:51:53 <kaz> mjk: yeah, good idea
12:52:11 <kaz> ... any volunteer for any particular topic?
12:52:24 <kaz> (none for today)
12:52:32 <kaz> mjk: let's continue the discussion next time
12:52:56 <kaz> ... let's see who would sign up with which joint meeting also
12:53:16 <kaz> q+
12:53:40 <kaz> ... what about the breakout session?
12:55:22 <kaz> kaz: regarding Breakout, the date/time for our demo breakout has been fixed as Wednesday at 17:30-18:30, we can put that information instead of the general information
12:56:13 <kaz> q-
12:56:41 <kaz> mjk: (adds an additional subsection for plugfest under "WoT F2F Agenda"
12:56:50 <kaz> s/Agenda"/Agenda")/
12:56:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:56:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:58:22 <kaz> i|note that Ege|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-wg/2025Sep/0016.html Ege's message|
12:58:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:58:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:58:42 <kaz> topic: Schedule
12:58:55 <kaz> mjk: cancelling the TD calls for today and tomorrow
12:59:04 <kaz> ... what about the Profile call?
12:59:10 <kaz> bf: will have the call
12:59:37 <kaz> i/cancel/subtopic: Meetings/
12:59:43 <kaz> subtopic: Publications
13:00:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/wg-schedule.md WG Schedule
13:00:10 <kaz> mjk: (quickly skim it)
13:00:15 <kaz> topic: Charter
13:00:23 <kaz> mjk: anything for today?
13:00:24 <kaz> (none)
13:00:31 <kaz> q+
13:00:37 <kaz> q-
13:00:41 <kaz> topic: AOB
13:00:47 <kaz> mjk: any other business for today?
13:00:49 <kaz> (none)
13:01:02 <kaz> [main call adjourned; Profile starts in 5 mins]
13:01:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:02:09 <kaz> i|note that Ege|mjk: quickly revisit Ege's essage on publication|
13:02:15 <kaz> s/ essage/ message/
13:02:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
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