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13:47:38 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:47:56 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3d8e05fe-09ac-4406-91ee-50e6ad47529d/20250911T150000/
13:47:56 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:47:56 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:47:56 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:47:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:48:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR Review
13:48:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:48:03 <addison> regrets+ Fuqiao
13:48:05 <agendabot> agenda+ Number, currency, and unit formatting article
13:48:07 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:48:10 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:49:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
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14:01:17 <addison> present+ Addison, Joel, Richard, Atsushi
14:02:00 <addison> present+ Bert
14:02:15 <addison> present+ JcK
14:02:24 <Bert> scribe+
14:02:45 <addison> present+ David
14:03:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:22 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:03:24 <addison> agenda?
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14:03:42 <addison> agenda+ ICANN
14:04:07 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:04:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:17 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
14:04:23 <addison> #184
14:04:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/184 -> Action 184  reply to wcag issue with comment about doing a higher level of interaction and pre-review (on aphillips) due 2025-09-04
14:04:39 <Bert> addison: I did that, I bvelieve.
14:04:52 <addison> #135
14:04:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
14:04:55 <addison> #127
14:04:55 <Bert> addison: Still pending
14:04:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
14:05:08 <Bert> addison: Maybe stale
14:05:08 <addison> #33
14:05:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:05:19 <addison> #7
14:05:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:05:33 <Bert> addison: Nobody reported any.
14:05:35 <addison> #4
14:05:36 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
14:05:43 <Bert> addison: Still pending
14:05:49 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:05:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:49 <Bert> ... Should maybe push on it
14:06:10 <addison> bert: GB bot has a small announcement
14:06:19 <addison> ... if you mention a github issue in a topic line
14:06:36 <addison> ... then it will expand that differently so it ends up in the minutes as a link
14:07:00 <addison> ... rather than a separate line. makes the minutes more readable
14:07:45 <Bert> Bert: Small enhancement for gb: topic lines can now contain issue references and those will become links.
14:07:58 <Bert> r12a: Unicode release this week.
14:08:12 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:08:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:08:20 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:08:38 <Bert> i/GB bot has a small/scribe+ addison
14:08:49 <Bert> i/Bert: Small enhancement/scribe- addison
14:10:03 <Bert> Joel: I can take the Geolocation review
14:10:25 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-activity/guidelines/review-instructions.html
14:11:37 <Bert> addison: I'll take DID Resolution review.
14:11:57 <Bert> ... Screen Orientation is a fairly simple one, an update.
14:12:13 <Bert> atsushi: I think I did taht in the past, I can do this one again.
14:12:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:12:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:45 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:13:29 <addison> agenda?
14:13:32 <Bert> addison: Top two issues we'll do later. Next one when Fuqiao is back.
14:13:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:13:45 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- ICANN -- taken up [from addison]
14:14:22 <Bert> r12a: I've been nominated to a Universal Acceptance WG.
14:15:12 <Bert> ... It's about internatial domain names, their use in email addresses and IDs, etc.
14:15:26 <addison> s/internatial/international/
14:15:42 <Bert> ... ICANN is trying to work out what places they are used and what changes need to be made to have them supported everywhere.
14:16:13 <Bert> ... They try to get representatives from different stakeholders, big corp, open systems, standards, etc.
14:16:29 <Bert> ... About an hour every week to develop guidelines.
14:17:21 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/ua/icann_docs.html
14:17:52 <Bert> ... ICANN tends to be a lot of talking and I'm not as familiar with it as I was. So I need your help. See link ^^
14:18:29 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/universal-acceptance/issues/2
14:18:29 <gb> Issue 2 not found
14:18:35 <Bert> ... I'm trying to funnel info from WG to W3C and funnel W3C comments & questions to ICANN. That's where I need your help.
14:19:09 <Bert> ... (That issue is not public, looking into access.)
14:19:24 <Bert> ... Next week they will look at Open Source providers.
14:19:27 <r12a>     Are there any specific standards ICANN org should contribute toward promoting UA adoption across applications and systems? Are there any emerging topics to consider for standards work for UA which ICANN org should consider? Which organizations should it collaborate with for the work? How should ICANN org prioritize its contribution to standards work related to UA?
14:19:38 <Bert> ... In three weeks they'll talk about standards.
14:19:40 <addison> q+
14:20:19 <Bert> ... See my questions ^^
14:20:35 <addison> ack next
14:20:48 <Bert> ... MAybe we can have a special session to talk about these things.
14:21:40 <Bert> JcK: How useful is this WG?
14:21:59 <Bert> r12a: It is time-limited. They seem to be trying.
14:22:38 <Bert> ... Output should be a set of guidelines, for what to do, how to approach people and orgs.
14:23:08 <Bert> addison: And goal is to remove roadblocks to IDN adoption?
14:23:28 <Bert> r12a: and also for email.
14:24:09 <Bert> JcK: Historically, problem is they focused on low-hanging fruit.
14:24:34 <Bert> addison: Email is a diverse thing, so many places it can go wrong.
14:25:02 <Bert> JcK: So question is how seriously they will try this time around.
14:25:32 <Bert> r12a: It seems different this time. They want expert advise. But only had 4 meetings so far.
14:26:27 <Bert> JcK: I'm not giving up, just a bit sceptical...
14:27:02 <Bert> r12a: Checking if some of you can see the issue.
14:27:06 <addison> agenda?
14:27:08 <Bert> Bert: I can see it.
14:27:42 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:27:42 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:30:04 <Bert> r12a: This week it became clear to me that Firefox now wraps Javanese text. Chrome and Safari already did, more or less.
14:30:23 <Bert> ... Note that Javanese doesn't have spaces between words.
14:30:37 <Bert> ... You wrap on syllables.
14:30:53 <Bert> ... Was raised by Norbert.
14:31:03 <Bert> ... Unicode now has algorithms for it.
14:31:23 <Bert> ... I made some tests, not yet for Balinese. And not yet announced.
14:31:37 <Bert> Joel: Applies to all languages without spaces?
14:32:12 <Bert> r12a: Some other languages without spaces wrap on word boundaries, need a dictionary.
14:32:37 <Bert> ... There are other southeast asian languages that behave like Javanese.
14:33:18 <Bert> Richard looking at some language resources.
14:33:38 <r12a> Balinese, Batak, Brahmi, (Eastern) Cham, Dives Akuru, Grantha, Gurung Khema, Javanese, Kawi, Makasar, and Tulu Tigalari.
14:33:54 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/java-gap/#issue40_line_breaking
14:33:57 <Bert> r12a: Balinese, Batak, Brahmi, Granta, Javanese [see list ^^]
14:35:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:35:13 <addison> zakim, who is here?
14:35:13 <Zakim> Present: Addison, Joel, Richard, Atsushi, Bert, JcK, David
14:35:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, jsahleen, RRSAgent, Zakim, addison, atsushi, r12a, florian, gb, csarven_, alastairc, astearns, koji, Rachael, jyasskin, cwilso, eemeli, Bert, agendabot, ChrisL,
14:35:13 <Zakim> ... xfq
14:35:23 <addison> zakim, bye
14:35:23 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Joel, Richard, Atsushi, Bert, JcK, David
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