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13:09:26 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:09:46 <janina> Meeting: WAI-Adapt Teleconference
13:09:52 <janina> Chair: Lionel_Wolberger
13:10:01 <janina> Date: 09 Sep 2025
13:10:16 <janina> regrets+ Annalu_Waller
13:55:56 <janina> present+
13:56:02 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:56:02 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:56:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, gb, hadleybeeman, Roy_Ruoxi, jcraig
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14:06:50 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:06:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/09-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:07:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:07:07 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:07:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Administratrivia and Logistics
14:07:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Giving regrets in advance for next week
14:10:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We will still meet next week, thanks Matt for being on the TAG
14:10:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Destinations
14:11:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> Abhinav: Did everyone review PR 326, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/326?
14:12:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I call attention to PR 325, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/325
14:12:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... nothing blocking merge of 325
14:15:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 326 requires a reading by Janina and/or Lionel
14:15:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Ack
14:15:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Will get to it soon
14:15:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:16:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/09-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:16:24 <janina> q+
14:16:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Destinations 'Name Game' -- Renaming?
14:18:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: (from last week)  The name "Well Known Destinations", while an apt description of what we do, has a confusing overlap with the "Well Known URIs" spec that inspired us (but this now works in a very different way).
14:18:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: There is valu in looking at a renaming
14:19:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there are advantages to naming discussions, as they are a chance to involve wider WAI team
14:19:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and potentially AGWG
14:20:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... as part of our interest is a 'well known destination' for the accessibility statement
14:20:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... two components
14:22:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:22:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack janina
14:22:47 <janina> ~ack ja
14:22:53 <janina> ack ja
14:25:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I recall that Matt, when he joined the task force, investigated the overlap of destination, purpose and action
14:26:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Yes, we had modules defined, all of which sought to add semantics to web pages to make them more accessible
14:27:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the scope featured action, destination and purpose
14:27:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... action was to be attached to buttons and other triggerable affordances
14:28:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... will it open a popu up? will it send you somewhere
14:28:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... destination is similar, when you click a link, where will you end up
14:28:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... purpose was for a form field, information on what the form field would require
14:28:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... purpose was needed, as the HTML auto-complete cannot be applied to all form elements, but purpose could mark up a fieldset as a whole
14:29:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and auto-complete cannot achieve this fieldset role
14:29:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... after much discussion, the task force converged on links and attributes we can add such as 'rel'
14:29:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... which can be added to links, or anchors
14:30:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... A close examination of destination, action and purpose seemed to highlight their similarityh
14:30:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... is it significant that one is marking up a button, another is a link?
14:30:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in practice, links may be coded as buttons and vice a versa
14:31:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... as a test of the need for having two ideas, say action and destination, and tried to think of cases where they would code different values
14:31:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... (a falsification logical test) - L
14:31:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and we did not find any
14:31:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:31:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/09-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:32:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: If we can assert that destinations and actions are the same, that's a step forward
14:32:52 <matatk> q?
14:32:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... as we will be covering more scope
14:39:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Use standard 'follow your nose' HTML procedures, make it discoverable
14:43:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Let's look at standard, recognized
14:43:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... waypoints ( a word from wayfinding)
14:44:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... familiar, core
14:44:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We encourage discussion on list, as we need time and examples for naming
14:44:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Symbols
14:48:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: The software is a bit complex, I have a call in to support
14:49:08 <janina> q+
14:49:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I may need some support from font designers
14:50:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack janina
14:50:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: +1 to bringing on other people with known expertise in designing the fonts and/or symbols that we need
14:51:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... keep in miind, how much of this expertise do we need to standardize
14:55:40 <matatk> q+ to put out a reminder before we leave
14:56:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I would be pleased to collaborate with Russel, but that's two newbies, not sure we would finish in reasonable time
14:56:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: Agree
14:57:13 <matatk> PR needing review for updates to Symbols explainer: https://github.com/w3c/adapt/pull/323
14:59:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Russell: We do not need font design, it's font creation with multi-colored SVGs and overlapping components
14:59:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... these font creation software expect the user is creating a glyph of a character that will be solid
14:59:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... but our SVGs, and emojis, have overlapping lines
15:00:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... that tend to be merged by these software packages
15:00:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Glyphs seems to support it
15:00:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... an engineer who writes font software would be perfect
15:00:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a font designer has their heart in another place
15:00:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We need an engineer, not a fine art student
15:01:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
15:01:27 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Russell, Abhinav, matatk, Lionel_Wolberger
15:01:29 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:01:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/09-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
15:01:37 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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