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14:51:56 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:52:59 <Lisa> q?
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14:53:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/08-coga-minutes.html Lisa
15:00:15 <Lisa> regrets: EA, Gareth
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15:03:07 <Lisa> scribe: Eric
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15:04:38 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Housecleaning session..
15:05:25 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Review of Making Content Usable - separate from WCAG 3 topics
15:06:51 <Eric_hind> Rain: For directly assigned items in first table, believe to be on schedule.
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15:07:32 <Eric_hind> Lisa: For the 4 or 5 first patterns ready to share, Julie is almost there.  Still working on.
15:08:08 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Each pattern will likely need a group review, should we put on the upcoming schedules?
15:08:28 <julierawe> q+
15:09:31 <Lisa> ack next
15:09:41 <Eric_hind> Julierawe: Yes, in the upcoming weeks.  Rain may also work on the introduction?
15:10:01 <julierawe> We can use time at next Monday's meeting to discuss the first pattern.
15:10:21 <Eric_hind> Rain: The initial draft will be ready as part of my other work.
15:10:50 <Eric_hind> Rain: No need for images yet, once text is done, then commit to images.
15:11:12 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Images should be prioritized when we have an approved pattern
15:11:42 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Assigning that work will hopefully be started and finished in October.
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15:12:00 <Rain> +1
15:12:44 <kirkwood_> Present+
15:13:34 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Mental health proposal, we need Rashmi to go through the 8.1, 8.2 sections.  This can go into the Research meeting on Thursday (11th)
15:15:02 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Working draft 2, Findability, etc. will be after first draft
15:16:24 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Issues can be reviewed with Eric on the 18th?  Propose to split the 18th meeting with finishing issue papers and then github issue (Lisa not here on the 25th).
15:17:53 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Will also set up github review on the 11th with Eric (Thursday)
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15:19:58 <Eric_hind> julierawe: We can split the 11AM EST Thursday between issues and other scheduled items (that I am putting together)
15:21:06 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Editorial review, internationalization are happening per the table items.
15:21:47 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Eric and Lisa can make a standard reply to the existing internationalization issues.
15:22:35 <julierawe> q+
15:22:43 <Lisa> ack next
15:22:56 <Eric_hind> Jan: Have done some review work on titles.
15:23:29 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Hope to get first pattern out to all soon - and to get input from internationalization.
15:24:36 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Ideally, finishing one pattern and forwarding to Jan would be ideal - end of tomorrow.
15:25:49 <Eric_hind> julierawe: We could cycle the review and feedback loops regularly.
15:26:53 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Note that the first pattern to be reviewed has had the feedback and review done with int'l already.
15:27:37 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Text to replace the phrase People with Cognitive and Learning disabilities - we aren't quite there for all contexts but are in a good state for now.
15:28:05 <Eric_hind> Lisa: UUser needs row is done.
15:28:32 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Handling testing should be part of wider review
15:29:06 <julierawe> q+
15:29:18 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Switch to research papers
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15:33:13 <Eric_hind> Lisa: adding people to Finishing Issue Paper  section.  Conversation interface, Supported.  Eric to review Technology Assited Indoor  Wayfinding to see if complete.
15:33:46 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Introduction for cover document is done.
15:34:18 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Triggers needs to be worked on.
15:35:28 <julierawe> q+
15:35:28 <Lisa> do we delay issue papers for cleaned up citations ?
15:35:33 <Lisa> ack next
15:36:33 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Citations work, making them W3C standard is TBD.  We will provide the first round in our current standard and work to the standard later.
15:37:21 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Potentially Charli could work on the citations issue when fully back?
15:37:44 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Acknowledgements still needed.
15:37:51 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Respec issues TBD
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15:38:52 <Eric_hind> Jan: No new items from i18n - no pressing updates and they are ready to review anything new from COGA
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15:42:53 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Review Eric proposal for sheet entry versus doc... some folks needing assistive technology find any spreadsheet more difficult.  Is this a good shift or change?
15:43:07 <Lisa> who like the spreadsheet more that the google docs
15:43:07 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Who likes the spreadsheet?
15:43:24 <Lisa> +1 is for speadsheet
15:43:37 <JeanneEC> +1 (but willing to work with an alternative)
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15:43:41 <Abi> +1
15:43:43 <Jan> +1 spreadsheet
15:43:44 <LenB> +1
15:43:45 <Rain> +1
15:43:54 <Eric_hind> +1
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15:44:43 <julierawe> q+
15:45:03 <Eric_hind> kirkwood: OK, but needs an explainer, logic flows as a recommendation, etc.
15:46:10 <julierawe> Maybe the front tab could be like a table of contents
15:46:56 <Lisa> ack j
15:47:03 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Add a "Getting your bearings" tab.  We could check with others to see if they have experiences
15:47:38 <Eric_hind> kirkwood: Alternatively, a link to the Nav might be good - needs to be early on in the first sheet.
15:48:18 <Eric_hind> Lisa: The link could be the old explainer?
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15:48:48 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Will ask the group about their comfort level with changes.
15:50:17 <Eric_hind> Lisa: "Helping people engage with COGA document" - work in progress, add to if you think anything is missing.
15:52:24 <Rain> +1 that seems to make sense
15:52:26 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Around being overwhelmed - research and guidance subgroups that meet on Thursdays.  The topics per meeting are available.
15:54:49 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Sending requests to the list are usually a good thing/effective thing.
15:54:56 <julierawe> q+
15:55:18 <Lisa> ack j
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15:57:59 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Email would be best for me.
15:58:30 <Eric_hind> kirkwood: Slack can work if there is complete buy in (FYI), but may not otherwise.
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15:58:38 <Lisa> ack next
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16:00:02 <Eric_hind> LenB: Agree that the channel approach isn't as likely to work unless there is buy in.  Email tends to be overwhelming otherwise.
16:00:07 <Lisa> ack next
16:00:43 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Maybe some additional slack channel training would be good?  It seems daunting.  Len mentions that he might be able to help
16:01:48 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Please think about things that would help folks get into COGA.  Different solutions may emerge from experience and trying other things out.
16:01:54 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/08-coga-minutes.html Lisa
16:03:18 <Jan> My apologies, but I had to drop for another call.
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