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12:02:57 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:03:12 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Josh_Thomas, Kunihiko_Toumura
12:03:17 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
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12:10:47 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:11:34 <kaz> present+ Ben_Francis, Ege_Korkan, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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12:11:43 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:11:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:11:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:12:12 <kaz> chair: Koster
12:12:35 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#3_September_2025
12:13:13 <kaz> q+
12:13:15 <kaz> q-
12:13:22 <benfrancis> benfrancis has changed the topic to: Invited Experts
12:13:26 <benfrancis> benfrancis has changed the topic to: Minutes Review
12:13:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:13:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:13:45 <kaz> topic: IEs
12:13:47 <kaz> (none)
12:13:51 <kaz> topic: Minutes Review
12:14:04 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-minutes.html Aug-27
12:14:18 <kaz> scribenick: benfrancis
12:14:44 <benfrancis> benfrancis has changed the topic to: Web of Things
12:15:00 <benfrancis> Any objections to publishing the minutes?
12:15:16 <benfrancis> mjk: No objections, minutes approved.
12:15:33 <benfrancis> topic: Quick Items
12:15:38 <kaz> q+
12:15:38 <benfrancis> q+
12:16:24 <benfrancis> kaz: Philippe can't make a call until after 16th September to discuss Profiles publication
12:17:30 <kaz> q+
12:18:09 <kaz> q-
12:18:20 <kaz> ack b
12:18:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:18:56 <benfrancis> benfrancis: Can't really wait until the 16th, if Group Note not possible may need to find another path. E.g. Discontinued Draft or Candidate Recommendation. Will discuss further in the Profiles call.
12:18:57 <benfrancis> kaz: Another option is an updated Working Draft
12:19:06 <benfrancis> topic: TPAC 2025 Planning
12:19:11 <kaz> i/Philippe can't make/subtopic: Profile publication/
12:19:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:19:37 <kaz> q+
12:20:07 <benfrancis> mjk: Please add yourself to the wiki for the Plugfest
12:20:14 <kaz> q-
12:20:28 <kaz> q+
12:20:35 <benfrancis> mjk: We can do the breakout in the same room as the Plugfest, which is good news.
12:21:08 <kaz> ack k
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12:22:05 <kaz> q+
12:22:42 <benfrancis> kaz: The events team mentioned preference to have session in last slot on the GitHub issue. Issue 7. Should be a note.
12:23:09 <benfrancis> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/7
12:23:39 <benfrancis> mjk: 17:30-18:30 for Plugfest breakout
12:23:43 <kaz> ack k
12:23:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:23:58 <benfrancis> mjk: (on Wednesday)
12:24:10 <Ege> q+ to talk about wot publications
12:24:35 <benfrancis> topic: Holidays & Upcoming Events
12:24:56 <benfrancis> McCool unavailable after end of August, Sebastian away for another two weeks. TD call today cancelled but second slot tomorrow going ahead.
12:25:33 <kaz> i|McCool|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays and Upcoming Events
12:25:40 <kaz> q+
12:25:57 <benfrancis> topic: Schedule
12:26:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:25 <benfrancis> Ege: I sent an email. We need to make some resolutions today and merge pull requests.
12:26:31 <kaz> s/Schedule/Publication Schedule/
12:26:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:41 <Ege> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Aug/0005.html
12:27:09 <kaz> s|https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Aug/0005.html|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2025Aug/0005.html Ege's message on publication resolution|
12:27:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:27:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:35 <kaz> s/resolution/resolution (Member-only)/
12:27:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:28:27 <kaz> q+
12:28:57 <benfrancis> Ege: TD task force currently responsible for three documents. TD, binding templates, registry. We need to merge some pull requests and make resolutions. If it's fine to do so we should merge the pull requests and agree to publish Editor's Draft as the publication.
12:29:38 <benfrancis> subtopic: WoT Binding Registry Publication
12:30:47 <benfrancis> Ege talks through the WoT Binding Registry document at https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-registry/
12:31:37 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:31:40 <benfrancis> Ege: Registry Definition and Registry
12:31:44 <Ege> q?
12:31:47 <Ege> ack e
12:31:47 <Zakim> Ege, you wanted to talk about wot publications
12:32:02 <benfrancis> Ege: Ask if everyone fine with making a transition request?
12:32:27 <kaz> ack e
12:32:29 <kaz> ack k
12:32:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/transitions Transitions repo for Transition Request
12:32:50 <benfrancis> kaz: To confirm you asking about transition request for FPWD for WoT Thing Description 2.0 and WoT Binding Registry
12:33:09 <benfrancis> Ege: I will propose a resolution
12:33:10 <Ege> https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-registry/
12:33:14 <mjk> Proposal: The working group approves the transition request for publication of the First Draft Binding Registry document
12:33:22 <kaz> s/for FPWD/for (1) FPWD/
12:33:43 <Ege> Proposal: The working group approves the transition request for publication of the First Draft Binding Registry document, taking the Editor's Draft at https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-registry/ as the basis
12:33:49 <kaz> s/WoT Bin/(2) First publication of a Draft Registry for WoT Bin/
12:33:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:33:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:34:18 <benfrancis> Ege: Any objections?
12:34:18 <Ege> Resolution: The working group approves the transition request for publication of the First Draft Binding Registry document, taking the Editor's Draft at https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-registry/ as the basis
12:34:48 <kaz> q+
12:34:54 <benfrancis> subtopic: WoT Binding Templates
12:34:56 <benfrancis>  Ege: We need to agree on some wording
12:35:07 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/latn-ca-gap/ Catalan Gap Analysis
12:35:08 <benfrancis> kaz: I got nice advice about possible examples
12:36:00 <benfrancis> kaz: Shows example note with a red frame saying that a document has been retired.
12:36:45 <benfrancis> Ege: In Status of Document you can see where you should be going. Any objections to content of retired Wot Binding Templates document?
12:37:00 <benfrancis> kaz: Could put this kind of discussion inside the red framed box.
12:37:15 <benfrancis> kaz: Can make a resolution with minor condition of adding this note.
12:37:46 <kaz> ack k
12:38:01 <kaz> q+
12:38:14 <Ege> Proposal: The working group approves the publication request of the Group Note of the WoT Binding Tempaltes document, taking the Editor's Draft at https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/434.html and the addition of a red box as seen in https://www.w3.org/TR/latn-ca-gap/
12:39:19 <kaz> ack k
12:39:26 <Ege> Resolution: The working group approves the publication request of the Group Note of the WoT Binding Tempaltes document, taking the Editor's Draft at https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/434.html and the addition of a red box as seen in https://www.w3.org/TR/latn-ca-gap/
12:39:52 <benfrancis> subtopic: WoT Thing Description 2.0 Publication
12:40:30 <benfrancis> Ege: Has a dependency on a PR in the wot-resources repo regarding the new context URL
12:41:10 <kaz> q+
12:41:45 <benfrancis> Ege: Proposing that /ns/wot-next/* always refers to the next version https://github.com/w3c/wot-resources/pull/25
12:42:10 <benfrancis> Ege: Has positive reviews from Cris and Mahda
12:43:37 <benfrancis> q?
12:43:40 <kaz> ack k
12:43:47 <benfrancis> kaz: This namespace is for draft purposes?
12:43:49 <benfrancis> q+
12:44:42 <kaz> s/purposes?/purposes, and we'll use another namespace lie "wot20" for the final Recommendation. Right?/
12:44:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:44:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:45:10 <benfrancis> benfrancis: What is the reason for creating a new namespace?
12:45:50 <kaz> s/subtopic: WoT Binding Templates/subtopic: WoT Binding Templates Publication/
12:45:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:45:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:45:59 <kaz> q?
12:48:04 <benfrancis> Ege: So we don't need to manage each new URL. Keep it under one namespace we manage.
12:48:10 <kaz> q+
12:48:15 <benfrancis> q-
12:48:27 <benfrancis> kaz: If we find a problem later we can change.
12:48:34 <kaz> ack k
12:48:36 <benfrancis> Ege: Easier to change than the previous approach
12:48:43 <benfrancis> Ege: See no objections, will merge.
12:49:54 <benfrancis> Ege: PR github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2123 removes HTTP Binding from Thing Description specification
12:50:30 <benfrancis> q+
12:51:14 <benfrancis> Ege: Now need add htv: context if you want to use it since it is not included by default
12:51:59 <benfrancis> benfrancis: Presumably if not overriding defaults don't need to add context
12:52:03 <benfrancis> Ege: Correct
12:52:39 <benfrancis> benfrancis: Is there a corresponding PR to add this content to the new binding document?
12:52:42 <benfrancis> Ege: Yes
12:52:49 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/435
12:53:05 <Ege> q?
12:53:11 <benfrancis> Ege: Don't hear any objections
12:53:14 <benfrancis> q-
12:53:51 <benfrancis> PR 2128 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2128
12:53:59 <Ege> q?
12:54:16 <benfrancis> Ege: Adds new temporary context URLs as discussed in the wot-resources repo. There is a merge conflict but will ask if it is fine otherwise.
12:54:51 <Ege> q?
12:55:02 <benfrancis> Ege: PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2130 Small change to change occurrences of Binding Registry
12:55:08 <benfrancis> Ege: Any objections?
12:55:19 <benfrancis> Ege: Will merge.
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12:56:52 <Ege> proposal: The working group approves the transition request for publication of the First Public Working Draft document of the WoT Thing Description 2.0, taking the Editor's Draft at https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/# as the basis plus merging the Pull Request at https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2128, which is agreed to
12:56:52 <Ege> be merged.
12:57:10 <benfrancis> Ege: Any objections?
12:57:12 <kaz> s/be merged./
12:57:21 <kaz> s/which is agreed to/which is agreed to merged./
12:57:23 <kaz> q+
12:57:44 <kaz> q-
12:58:08 <benfrancis> kaz: OK with the resolution itself, but the resolution is too long for IRC logging!
12:58:21 <benfrancis> Ege shortens the proposal
12:58:35 <benfrancis> kaz: Technically the resolution is that the Working Group would like to issue a transfer request
12:58:41 <Ege> Resolution: The working group would like to issue the transition request for publication of the FPWD document of the WoT Thing Description 2.0, taking the ED at https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/# as the basis and merging the already-agreed PR at https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2128
12:58:50 <kaz> s/transfer request/transition request/
12:59:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:59:33 <kaz> q+
12:59:34 <benfrancis> topic: AOB
12:59:38 <benfrancis> mjk: Any other business?
13:00:05 <benfrancis> kaz: We should make a decision about how long we should request for the extension of W3C WoT Working Group charter. Basic assumption is 3 months, but let's talk about that next week.
13:00:18 <benfrancis> mjk: No action needed today, but let's add a topic for next week
13:01:59 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:02:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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