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14:51:52 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
14:51:53 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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14:56:58 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ The main topic is pull request for providing placeholders for localization.
14:57:18 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
14:57:44 <AvneeshSingh> chair: AvneeshSingh
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15:03:10 <gautierchomel> scribe+ gautierchomel
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15:03:53 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:03:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- The main topic is pull request for providing placeholders for localization. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:04:08 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/732
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15:05:03 <AvneeshSingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/688
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15:08:07 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:08:09 <gautierchomel> gpellegrino: it all started with issue #688, raising difficulties to localise in some languages. the PR accomadate the request for ONIX technics. Once approved, we can port to other technics. It mainly affects the certification part, because there are names and dates in this section. Matt implemented the changes in the daisy viewer and came with some corrections. I think we are ready now to merge this.
15:08:15 <CharlesL> q+
15:08:28 <gautierchomel> q+
15:08:28 <AvneeshSingh> ack char
15:09:04 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:09:42 <gpellegrino> q+
15:09:47 <mgarrish> q+
15:10:06 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:10:35 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:12:10 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:12:37 <gautierchomel> mgarrish: I am curious of seeing this implemented in localisations.
15:13:16 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:14:14 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:14:15 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: we have a workplan: seek mickaël feedback, merge, implement in localisations, port to epub technics.
15:15:00 <gautierchomel> q+
15:15:02 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:15:02 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, AvneeshSingh
15:15:09 <gautierchomel> q-
15:15:26 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:15:26 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Any other business. -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:15:28 <gautierchomel> q+
15:15:39 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:15:51 <CharlesL> q+
15:15:52 <gautierchomel> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/736
15:16:24 <gautierchomel> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/pull/727
15:16:49 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: I suggest we merge those two minor PRs
15:17:09 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: 736 is a typo fix.
15:17:31 <gautierchomel> gpellegrino: 727 is a response to a report from vital source.
15:17:50 <gautierchomel> gpellegrino: I remember it was only affecting ONIX.
15:18:02 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:18:11 <AvneeshSingh> ack char
15:19:14 <gautierchomel> CharlesL: looking about what happens in spec headers. Shall we do the same with our documents?
15:19:34 <gautierchomel> mgarrish: yes. I'll keep on cleaning all our documents.
15:19:44 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:22:22 <gautierchomel> George: we have received a tool: https://nickbromley.github.io/accessModeSufficient-calculator/
15:23:02 <gautierchomel> George: it is good if people from this grop can look at it and provide feedback.
15:23:40 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:23:42 <gautierchomel> mgarrish: we have a similar process in the SMART tool.
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15:26:28 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:26:57 <gautierchomel> George: I am also still looking for feedbacks on the extended description icon instead of a text. I think it is important for adoption.
15:27:47 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: creating icon is a long process,n comes with complexities related to culture.
15:27:47 <gautierchomel> q+
15:27:50 <CharlesL> q+
15:28:06 <gautierchomel> s/process,n/process/
15:28:28 <AvneeshSingh> ack charles
15:30:22 <gautierchomel> CharlesL: we had some exemples on W3C approved icons. I'll search the links. Previous works won't work probably. The other approach is an accessibility icon very generic like man in a circle.
15:31:14 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:32:48 <mgarrish> present+
15:33:20 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:34:30 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: It is imlportant to agree on lin,k text. This could be the alt text of any icon. I suggest a text about the difficulties of one icone fits all cultures, say it could be a good practice but should be localised. Then provide implmenbtation examples.
15:34:46 <gautierchomel> s/implmenbtation/implementation/
15:34:50 <CharlesL> [rough draft page] Accessibility Icon Set from W3C WAI
15:34:56 <CharlesL> https://www.w3.org/WAI/teach-advocate/accessibility-icon-set
15:36:09 <gautierchomel> CharlesL: those does not work here, they are to indicate a disability type, not a feature.
15:37:55 <gautierchomel> George: extended description are not only for people with disabilities, we have strong feedbacks of needs from other publics.
15:39:35 <gautierchomel> George: then a very generic icon would do. like the triangle from the detail element or three dots.
15:40:27 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/28-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
15:40:40 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:41:43 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
15:41:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, George, gautierchomel, CharlesL, Madeleine, Simon_M, Chris, mgarrish
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15:42:39 <Simon_M> I've just been looking around the web and 2 main types are question mark, and ones that combine a generic 'photo like' image and a block of text.
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