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14:03:36 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
14:04:04 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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14:04:46 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#August_27%2C_28_2025
14:04:51 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:04:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:05:52 <cris> topic: agenda
14:06:35 <cris> ege: tomorrow we'll have Document freeze resolution
14:06:43 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
14:06:46 <cris> topic: Minutes review
14:07:05 <kaz> i|tomorrow|[[|
14:07:09 <kaz> i|tomorrow|Wednesday: Schedule, Arch Spec, TD Optional Content Type, Registry Terminology
14:07:09 <kaz> Thursday: HTTP Binding, Binding Templates Retirement, Document Freeze TF Resolution|
14:07:19 <kaz> i|tomorrow|]]|
14:07:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:07:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:07:41 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2025/08/20-wot-td-minutes.html Aug-20
14:07:47 <kaz> chair: Ege
14:07:50 <cris> jan: I noticed one thing, there are some "@" characters left
14:08:04 <kaz> q+
14:08:08 <cris> ... other than that it looks fine
14:08:18 <cris> kaz: ok I'll remove them
14:08:39 <kaz> q-
14:08:50 <cris> ege: minutes approved
14:09:08 <cris> topic: Schedule
14:09:22 <kaz> s/them/them, and done/
14:09:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:09:57 <cris> ege: August 28 we'll have TD document freeze
14:10:08 <kaz> i|Aug|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/wg-schedule.md WG Schedule
14:10:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:10:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:10:18 <cris> ... small typos fixes can still happen
14:10:22 <cris> ... same date for bindings registry
14:10:48 <cris> ... for the binding templates we need to find the correct wording for "document retirement"
14:10:59 <cris> ... after tomorrow no big changes there too.
14:11:07 <cris> topic: Issues
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14:11:22 <cris> ege: we have to issues to track current work
14:11:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:11:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:11:30 <cris> subtopic: Issue 2112
14:11:55 <cris> ege: no updates so far
14:12:09 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2112 TD Issue 2112 - TD 2.0 FPWD Goals
14:12:14 <cris> ... but I think we can land profiles vs binding topic by tomorrow
14:12:17 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2112 TD Issue 2112 - TD 2.0 FPWD Goals||
14:12:25 <kaz> i|no up|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2112 TD Issue 2112 - TD 2.0 FPWD Goals|
14:12:31 <dape> q+
14:12:32 <cris> subtopic: issue 12
14:12:57 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/issues/12 Registry Issue 12 - First Draft Registry Plan|
14:12:59 <cris> ege: I'm finalizing the registry description
14:13:03 <kaz> s/Plan|/Plan/
14:13:04 <dape> ack dape
14:13:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:13:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:13:12 <cris> dape: intro section is not there yet
14:14:20 <kaz> ek: (adds an action item to Issue 12 about that)
14:14:31 <kaz> i|adds|scribenick: ek|
14:14:36 <kaz> scribenick: cris
14:14:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:14:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:14:48 <cris> ege: next week we will invite some people from WoT CG to get feedback about initial connection
14:15:06 <cris> topic: Architecture specification assetions
14:15:11 <kaz> i|tomorrow|scribenick: cris|
14:15:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:15:30 <kaz> s/Thursday: HTTP Binding, Binding Templates Retirement, Document Freeze TF Resolution|//
14:15:39 <kaz> i|]]|Thursday: HTTP Binding, Binding Templates Retirement, Document Freeze TF Resolution|
14:15:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:15:49 <cris> ege: we now have a list of assertions coming from Architecture spec
14:15:53 <cris> ... we have to categorize them and find which ones can impact TD
14:16:03 <kaz> s/issue 12/Issue 12/
14:16:35 <kaz> i|we now|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2124 TD PR 2124 - Add list of assertions in Architecture document|
14:16:50 <cris> ... in PR 2124 you can find a list of possible categories
14:17:51 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
14:17:55 <kaz> chair+ Koster
14:17:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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14:19:22 <cris> ege: now we have to put the categories below
14:19:24 <cris> q+
14:20:18 <cris> cris: how are we going to work for distributing the workload about categorization?
14:20:46 <cris> ege: we can take a set of assertions and create a PR with the proposals
14:21:35 <cris> cris: ok but how to put the category should we just add an A at the end of the sentence?
14:21:52 <jkrhb> q+
14:22:27 <cris> ack cris
14:23:05 <cris> jan: assertion 1 is a good example of a non-testable assertions
14:23:58 <cris> ... maybe add a new category for discarding those non-testable assetions
14:25:44 <cris> ege: ok if this is fine I comment with the format of how to declare a category for an assertion
14:25:53 <cris> ... is it ok to merge it ?
14:25:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:25:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:26:44 <cris> ... I propose to close issue 2120 and create new one for the categorization
14:29:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2120 TD Issue 2120 - Moving normative text from Architecture Specification about the TD features
14:30:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:30:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:30:58 <cris> ege: created issue 2126
14:31:13 <cris> topic: Optional content type
14:31:16 <EgeKorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081
14:32:14 <kaz> i|Optional|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2126 TD Issue 2126 - Categorizing Architecture Assertions|
14:32:45 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2081 TD PR 2081 - Make contentType optional in ExpectedResponse and AdditionalExpectedResponse classes|
14:32:45 <cris> ege: we have good amount of approvals
14:32:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:32:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:32:56 <EgeKorkan> ca: I'm still not completely satisfied about how we deal the absece of payloads (inputs or outputs), I hope that in the next revision we can find something cleaner
14:33:04 <EgeKorkan> ca: so as a reminder
14:33:22 <cris> ege: I update the assertions.csv file
14:33:35 <cris> ege: is it ok to merge this PR ?
14:33:40 <jkrhb> q+
14:33:49 <cris> jan: thank you everyone
14:33:58 <cris> ... ok for merging
14:34:01 <cris> ege: merged
14:34:23 <cris> jan: since this is coming from Discovery spec, I wondering if we can fix it
14:34:41 <cris> ... is the Discovery document will be updated soon?
14:34:59 <cris> ege: it depends, but definitely in the next charter.
14:35:06 <cris> ... currently we need more people working there
14:35:24 <cris> ... good news is that Discovery update is in the charter draft
14:36:51 <cris> topic: Profile explaination
14:38:09 <cris> ege: we have a good amount of approvals in this PR
14:38:20 <cris> ... very simple add informative text about profiles
14:38:30 <cris> ... ok merging
14:39:06 <cris> topic: PR 2125 automating assertion list
14:40:16 <cris> ege: this pr synchronize the assertions csv file
14:40:23 <cris> ... everytime we render
14:41:04 <cris> ... any objections ?
14:41:26 <cris> ... merged
14:42:56 <cris> topic: Binding registry
14:43:02 <cris> subtopic: PR 24
14:43:25 <cris> dape: the terminology should be now correct
14:43:43 <cris> ... but there still 4 warnings
14:43:57 <cris> ... but they are from intro section which will be removed
14:44:00 <cris> ege: ok
14:44:51 <cris> q+
14:44:54 <jkrhb> q-
14:45:27 <dape> q+
14:46:18 <jkrhb> q+
14:47:08 <cris> cris: I think we should make it clear either with words or special characters
14:47:14 <cris> dape: we can use "concrete"
14:48:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:48:31 <kaz> i|I'm still not|scribenick: EgeKorkan|
14:48:35 <cris> jan: additionally sometimes we can just remove WoT X and have a simpler definition
14:48:55 <kaz> i|I update the|scribenick: cris|
14:48:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:50:10 <kaz> i|the terminology should|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-bindings-registry/pull/24 Registry PR 24 - Make use of some terminology terms|
14:50:43 <kaz> i|this pr syn|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2125 TD PR 2125 - Automating assertion list generation|
14:50:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:50:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:51:09 <cris> ege: it seems that removing the X works quite well
14:51:13 <cris> cris: yes
14:52:00 <kaz> i|we have a good|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/2122 TD PR 2122 - Profile explanation|
14:52:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:52:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:52:19 <cris> ege: we can fix it in this PR
14:52:44 <cris> ege: do you prefer "concrete" or "specific" or removing WoT X ?
14:53:00 <cris> cris: +1 for removing and see if it fits well also in other parts of the document
14:53:27 <kaz> i|topic: Architecture|topic: Thing Description|
14:53:39 <kaz> s/topic: Architecture/subtopic: Architecture/
14:53:51 <kaz> s/topic: Optional/subtopic: Optional/
14:54:02 <kaz> s/topic: Profile/subtopic: Profile/
14:54:23 <kaz> s/topic: PR 2125 automating/subtopic: Automating/
14:54:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:55:44 <mjk3> q?
14:55:55 <jkrhb> q-
14:55:58 <cris> ack c
14:55:59 <dape> ack dape
14:56:19 <cris> q+
14:58:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:58:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:58:38 <kaz> q?
14:58:40 <kaz> ack c
14:58:55 <dape> q+
14:59:06 <cris> cris: I agree removing WoT in every definition of a term
14:59:22 <cris> dape: I think it is fine to note down in this PR the future direction
14:59:46 <cris> ... but it is better to implement that in a follow up PR
14:59:48 <cris> ege: ok
15:00:13 <dape> ack dape
15:00:28 <kaz> q+
15:01:37 <cris> kaz: ok for option 4. About the title, we can use also Web of Things (WoT) Binding Registry
15:01:49 <cris> ... it seems even more natural
15:02:12 <cris> ege: ok not related to this PR, but the change we'll have a couple of impacts
15:02:16 <cris> kaz: yes, before publication we can
15:04:16 <EgeKorkan> proposal: Change the name of the repository to wot-binding-registry and the name of the document to "WoT Binding Registry"
15:04:26 <cris> +1
15:04:31 <jkrhb> +1
15:04:31 <EgeKorkan> q?
15:04:35 <EgeKorkan> ack k
15:04:58 <EgeKorkan> resolution: We agree to change the name of the repository to wot-binding-registry and the name of the document to "WoT Binding Registry"
15:05:18 <jkrhb> rrsagent, please draft the minutes
15:05:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html jkrhb
15:06:14 <kaz> q-
15:06:17 <cris> ege: AOB?
15:06:29 <cris> [adjourned]
15:06:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/27-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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